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Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by PaulHoule on Sunday February 06, 2022 @09:26PM (#30239482)
It’s a good question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqldQzGV-lY

One take is that online dating is going to be bad for most people (particularly men) because with a large number of matches going by people (particularly women) are going to make a rough cut on physical attractiveness.

Almost all of the men participating in online dating are interested in hooking up or a longer term relationship but a lot of young women sign on just to get an ego boost from getting a lot of matches, then they ghost them all.

I’d guess you could build a site that tries to break down the various harmful dynamics (e.g. make guys pick at most 15% of girls, make girls pick the top 20% guys without looking at any pics, kick out girls who don’t go on any dates, …)

People might really resist any of these changes even if the changes are for their own good.

Another answer to online dating is ‘burn it down’.

I checked out a kink dating site this weekend and it was astonishingly cringe, I never thought I would go find some site that makes me feel superior but there it is.

Anyhow I am a student of love, relationships, attraction and seduction and you know you want to click on my profile and send me an email to compare notes on this.

Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by na85 on Sunday February 06, 2022 @10:10PM (#30239834)
>Almost all of the men participating in online dating are interested in hooking up or a longer term relationship but a lot of young women sign on just to get an ego boost from getting a lot of matches, then they ghost them all.

Got any data to back up this assertion?

Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by PaulHoule on Sunday February 06, 2022 @10:23PM (#30239940)
Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by yuppie_scum on Sunday February 06, 2022 @09:46PM (#30239649)
You really think men are somehow victimized on online dating sites? you really think these women owe you a date?
Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by alexb_ on Sunday February 06, 2022 @09:52PM (#30239692)
I don't think he ever said this. He just said that men have a harder time getting matches than women. That's just factually true.
Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by not2b on Sunday February 06, 2022 @09:59PM (#30239760)
Depends on age. Younger men and older women are at a disadvantage.
Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by PaulHoule on Sunday February 06, 2022 @09:57PM (#30239742)
For men overall: 20% of the guys get 80% of the matches. If you are below the median you get basically zero. That's very good for the top 20% but below some cutoff it is not worth participating. If you call that 'victimization' than it is.

So far as 'me' I can say in person there is a good chance I can give somebody I meet (e.g. regardless of sex, gender, sexual orientation, whether or not I am interested in them sexually...) a memorable experience. I can't do that through Tinder, not at all.

Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by astrange on Sunday February 06, 2022 @10:11PM (#30239844)
You only need one good one. (well, that depends if you're dating to increase your score or not)

IIRC from that OKCupid research, women only rated 20% of men as attractive, but then their attractiveness rating didn't actually affect who they responded to, so it didn't really matter.

Also, women know better than men that attractiveness is a thing you do not a thing you are.

Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by pseudalopex on Monday February 07, 2022 @01:02AM (#30240985)
Attractiveness affected reply rates for men and women about the same.[1]

[1] https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyo...

Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by astrange on Monday February 07, 2022 @01:32AM (#30241124)
It's this part:

> But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway.

Re:Ask HN: What is wrong with dating in 2022? by pseudalopex on Monday February 07, 2022 @02:07AM (#30241304)
That was sending messages. The curves showed women sent about 40% of messages to the bottom 55% of men. The last chart showed reply rates. Attractiveness affected both.