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Re:Bitcoin's fungibility graveyard by olah_1 on Saturday February 05, 2022 @05:42PM (#30227053)
> If I want to go to the supermarket and pay with Monero that will require that legislators deem Monero a legitimate currency.

A lot of people use giftcards. That's what people do with bitcoin too.

> https://xkcd.com/538/

Completely irrelevant to this conversation.

Re:Bitcoin's fungibility graveyard by leppr on Saturday February 05, 2022 @08:51PM (#30228468)
Actually it's relevant as a reminder of the importance of privacy coins, for they are the only way to avoid wrench attacks.
Re:Bitcoin's fungibility graveyard by olah_1 on Saturday February 05, 2022 @11:20PM (#30229385)
You can still get wrench attacked for your Monero in the same exact way.

It's just a risk of self-custody of keys and it's a good reason for the industry to push forward better key management solutions (multi-sig + shamir secret sharing, etc)

Re:Bitcoin's fungibility graveyard by 8note on Sunday February 06, 2022 @01:37AM (#30230051)
Can you not be wrenched into giving away your privacy coins?

You're still a single point of failure, aren't you? Apply wrench until you've given up all the privacy coins you have access to

Re:Bitcoin's fungibility graveyard by leppr on Sunday February 06, 2022 @06:28AM (#30231541)
Privacy coins give you plausible deniability. Attackers don't know what you own, because the balances are private.
Re:Bitcoin's fungibility graveyard by olah_1 on Sunday February 06, 2022 @11:26AM (#30233982)
Muggers on the street don’t know what’s in your wallet either. But they still want whatever is in there.

Until wallets gets smarter and safer, and these smart/safe features are so mainstream that even muggers understand it, this will always be a risk

Re:Bitcoin's fungibility graveyard by leppr on Sunday February 06, 2022 @01:08PM (#30235128)
So you give them dust contained in your decoy wallet.

The problem with cryptos with public balances is that attackers can know your net worth in advance, and thus know whether you're a valuable target, and exactly how much they can ask of you. And this is the reason why privacy technology likely won't be outlawed: high networth individuals use them constantly.

Re:Bitcoin's fungibility graveyard by olah_1 on Sunday February 06, 2022 @01:40PM (#30235495)
> The problem with cryptos with public balances is that attackers can know your net worth in advance, and thus know whether you're a valuable target, and exactly how much they can ask of you.

Not really... a mugger can read people well enough to know that they have more than $100. More than $1000, etc. A random person older than 30 can likely give you a lot more than $2000 even.

So this goes back to wallets needing to be smarter all around. I expect there to be companies/services that spring up specifically around this need.

However, one thing that I predict in the next 5 years is that people will simply stop having crypto wallets on their phones. They will either not have mobile access to their savings accounts at all or they will use something like a SatsCard that only has like $100 on it https://getsatscard.com/

Re:Bitcoin's fungibility graveyard by leppr on Monday February 07, 2022 @01:46PM (#30249181)
Random attacks on the street are a problem, but the "wrench attack" trope relates more to targeted attacks against known victims, which are becoming increasingly common.

In many countries, kidnapping and torturing someone for $2000 is not worth the risk for anyone. But for amounts 6 figure and up, it makes good risk-adjusted sense to many people.

Given how few people have a proper security setup, cryptocurrencies with KYC'd accounts and public balances are lists of juicy extortion targets.