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Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by kikokikokiko on Thursday February 03, 2022 @11:47AM (#30194795)
Children with no commorbidities have NO reason to get exposed to the risk of taking the vacine. Yes, it's a small risk, but ANY vaccine must be a cost benefit weighted decision. Rabies is a 100% lethal disease, but that is not a valid reason for everyone to get vaccinated for it, the risks of vaccinating everyone in this case outweigh the risk that a randomly selected person would eventually die from rabies. This whole discussion is so stupid, from the beggining everyone could see the stats and see who was at real risk or not from this disease.
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by Sparkle-san on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:16PM (#30195272)
Children are still susceptible to long-term complications from getting covid. Like you said, it's a cost benefit decision, but there's real risks associated with children getting covid that seem to be going unacknowledged given that, unlike rabies, millions are going to be infected with covid.
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by EricE on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:01PM (#30196075)
Also at this point EVERYONE is going to be infected by COVID. It's a highly contagious respiratory virus that's not only carried by humans, but animals too. This fantasy that all we have to do is vaccinate everyone and we will be alright really needs to die.
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by Sparkle-san on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:14PM (#30196254)
Vaccines are still shown to reduce risk of hospitalization and death even with omicron. So, if everyone is going to get it, wouldn't you rather be more protected when you get it?
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by twofornone on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:51PM (#30198635)
The risk of hospitalization for children is virtually zero. The risk of hospitalization for healthy people under 50 is miniscule.
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by the_why_of_y on Thursday February 03, 2022 @06:12PM (#30200383)
Risk of hospitalization for children aged < 5 years with Omicron is quite a bit higher than previous variants. Take a look at the CDC data, compare age groups this year vs. one year earlier.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitali...

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by mikysco on Thursday February 03, 2022 @09:00PM (#30201881)
This trend exists because children are being tested for COVID after being admitted to the hospital for entirely unrelated issues (broken bones, etc). They're in the hospital _with_ COVID, not in the hospital _because_ of COVID.
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by wolverine876 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:39PM (#30197649)
I hear people say that, but is there research backing it up? I'm a bit dubious because inevitability is a common fall-back position in public affairs, similar to climate change deniers saying that climate change is inevitable so we just have to learn to adjust. They still get what they want, and try to create despair in their opponents.
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by pengaru on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:50PM (#30197808)
It's gone endemic, the inevitability is on par with the common cold; you're almost certainly going to get exposed to some variant of it.

Plus AIUI Omicron has demonstrated recombinant replication, which means we're playing a flu-like cat and mouse game with the vaccines. Nobody in their right mind would argue we have any hope of effectively vaccinating everyone against influenza.

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by wolverine876 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @10:36PM (#30202543)
Repeating it isn't evidence or even an argument that it's true. Is there evidence? Research?
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by pengaru on Thursday February 03, 2022 @11:23PM (#30202845)
Pardon me for assuming HN readers are capable of basic keyword searches:

https://virological.org/t/omicron-is-a-multiply-recombinant-...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787944

Would you like me to wipe your ass next as well?

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Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by Dylan16807 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:45PM (#30198549)
> Tell this mom that the infinitesimal chance that her child would have from COID side affects was worth it for the problems she is now facing

That's an awful way to analyze risk.

If you have a one in a million risk of something, and you trade it for a different but nearly-identical one in a million risk for the same thing, and then get the bad outcome, you did not make the wrong choice. Let alone if you traded for a lower risk.

Every step you take, you trade out trillions of potential futures. You are always, always creating new risks and destroying old risks. A decision like getting vaccinated is easy to point at and say "oh I shouldn't have done it" but you could just as realistically say "if I hadn't eaten tuna seven weeks ago these problems wouldn't have happened".

You do not get to compare the outcome of a specific case, only knowable in hindsight, with the "infinitesimal risk" of the alternative.

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by twofornone on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:54PM (#30198680)
The point is that people need to stop presuming that these vaccines are without risks of their own. This is proven false and the true risk is still uncertain. Officials are only recently acknowledging for example that vaccines can influence monthly cycles - that was just a cooky conspiracy a few months ago.

Data collection regarding adverse events was laughably inadequate based on testimony over Pfizer's clinical trial protocol, and their data is still not available for review by anyone other than the FDA, which is known to suffer from regulatory capture. Rosy claims about the vaccines have been repeatedly walked back...the safety of these vaccines is likely overstated.

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by Dylan16807 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @04:22PM (#30199081)
> The point is that people need to stop presuming that these vaccines are without risks of their own.

That's a good point, but it's not the point being made when someone links to a side effect report and implies it was wrong to get vaccinated, as if vaccines need to meet an impossible 0-side-effect standard.

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by kingsloi on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:33PM (#30196570)
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by Sparkle-san on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:11PM (#30196203)
Yes, that's one end of the cost benefit analysis and on the other end the 6,400 cases of MIS-C in children who got covid in the US.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#mis-national-surve...

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by phlipski on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:27PM (#30195482)
Rabies doesn't spread like covid...
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by EricE on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:44PM (#30195767)
COVID isn't deadly like rabies either. Indeed COVID is turning out to be less deadly than the flu for the vast majority of people, especially the more recent variants. While being far more virulent they are also far less likely to make one seriously ill, let alone kill.
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by wolverine876 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:40PM (#30197663)
Over 800,000 people have died in the US alone, more than any other event in US history.
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by hnuser847 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:22PM (#30198251)
It wasn't. Heart disease and cancer kill far more people on an annual basis and nobody bats an eye. According to the CDC, these were the top 10 causes of death in 2020[1]:

* Heart disease: 696,962

* Cancer: 602,350

* COVID-19: 350,831

* Accidents (unintentional injuries): 200,955

* Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 160,264

* Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 152,657

* Alzheimer’s disease: 134,242

* Diabetes: 102,188

* Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,544

* Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 52,547

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by triceratops on Thursday February 03, 2022 @04:38PM (#30199272)
> Heart disease and cancer kill far more people on an annual basis and nobody bats an eye

I mean there are massive institutes, companies, and laboratories engaged in research on both these topics, tons of fund-raising, campaigns to improve diet and exercise, shockingly expensive treatments and so on. Other than all of that, yes, nobody bats an eye.

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by kingsloi on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:29PM (#30198345)
all are lower than 800,000
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by hnuser847 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:39PM (#30198491)
The 800,000 figure spans two years. The above figures are for one year (2020).
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by Nemrod67 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:58PM (#30197913)
2M people die every year in the USA, is that more than any other event in History?

such lunacy

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by robflynn on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:09PM (#30198049)
They clearly mean from one specific event. What one event in the USA has lead to 2 million deaths? You're combining all deaths and treating it as if it were the same thing.
Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by JacobThreeThree on Thursday February 03, 2022 @04:00PM (#30198758)
>You're combining all deaths and treating it as if it were the same thing.

Couldn't that be applied to deaths from other diseases? Why wouldn't all influenza deaths be considered one event by this standard?

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by robflynn on Thursday February 03, 2022 @04:06PM (#30198852)
No? Are we in an influenza pandemic or epidemic right now? Again, we're talking about events here.

There have been six of them in the last 140 years with respect to influenza. The Spanish Flu pandemic killed 675k (in the USA, like 50 mil worldwide or something wild like that.)

Re:What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity by Dylan16807 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:48PM (#30198595)
Any other event in US history.

If you're so sure, name one.

Civil war was less than a million, by the way.