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Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by smoyer on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:41AM (#30192239)
My opinion is that web3 has greater promise with distributed content - IPFS, the DAT protocol and the Hyper protocols will allow individuals to publish content without the restrictions imposed by infrastructure providers.
Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by rchaud on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:02PM (#30196078)
I keep hearing this, but this is not a problem for the vast majority of people in the world. And IPFS is not a silver bullet for it anyway, because of the learning curve required to roll your own publishing stack. You can already host your own decentralized Mastodon instance without any blockchain.

Why is it that the numerous famous people that have gotten kicked off Facebook and Twitter never set up a blog or Mastodon instance on their own domain or use a platforms not controlled by American companies? It's because they know that the big platforms is where the people are, and trying to rebuild it all over again is not a waste of time and resources.

Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by dumbfounder on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:48AM (#30192314)
If that's all it does then it's a massive success.
Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by pmarreck on Thursday February 03, 2022 @10:56AM (#30194004)
IPFS has existed for years without any crypto involvement
Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by smoyer on Thursday February 03, 2022 @11:00AM (#30194066)
Who says crypto has to be involved for it to be web3. Isn't being distributed (versus centralized) the defining characteristic?
Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by rchaud on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:11PM (#30196202)
The VC vision of Web3 is what is saturating the airwaves, and that absolutely has crypto front and center. Accessing anything considered 'Web3' currently requires a crypto wallet login, unless you're viewing a clearweb mirror version.
Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by immibis on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:34AM (#30205978)
Who says we have to listen to the VCs?
Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by recursive on Thursday February 03, 2022 @11:36AM (#30194610)
Everyone who describes what web3 even is. If it's just decentralized, then web1 was web3.
Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by cuddlecake on Thursday February 03, 2022 @09:19AM (#30192693)
But the infrastructure must be <somewhere>, right?
Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by cle on Thursday February 03, 2022 @09:39AM (#30192959)
Of course, but the useful property is that it could be anywhere.
Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by cuddlecake on Thursday February 03, 2022 @11:22AM (#30194387)
But over long enough time it _must_ be somewhere where somebody can provide Computational power and evergrowing storage capacity, right?

So.. not anywhere.

Or can the data be available in a highly fragmented fashion _and_ still be useful? I just can't imagine any content system that does not end up being centralized or highly inconvenient.

Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by cle on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:52PM (#30195894)
If someone cares about a piece of content's availability on IPFS, they can host it and anyone in the network can pull it from them without having to know a priori that they provide the content. That's what I mean by "anywhere". Anyone can provide any content they want, from anywhere, on whatever infrastructure they want, as long as there's a communication channel open with the rest of the network.

If you care about high availability of a piece of content, you will dedicate infrastructure to hosting it on IPFS, just like you would on the Internet.

Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by cuddlecake on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:24PM (#30196421)
Is there any need for the Blockchain for that? Like... Setup a server and host the content. I can't imagine it being simpler than that.

Why would I engage in the dance of crypto just to host some content no one will read anyway?

What's IPFS?

Re:Web3 is not going to change the world by cle on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:53PM (#30197852)
IPFS doesn't use a blockchain nor crypto. Conceptually the Internet is a set of protocols that together map (data-identifier, provider) -> bytes (e.g. GET https://<provider>/<data-identifier>). Similarly IPFS is a set of protocols that map (data-identifier) -> bytes.