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Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by fallat on Thursday February 03, 2022 @07:39AM (#30191687)
There are things more valuable than money.

Not only are there a lot of legal problems with stealing that money, there are a lot of social problems too.

This is where philosophy comes in and helps the situation. You find the employees who wouldn't steal because they believe that money isn't everything.

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by rasz on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:02AM (#30191872)
>This is where philosophy comes in and helps the situation. You find the employees who wouldn't steal because they believe that money isn't everything.

Yes, those mythical spherical virgin monks in a vacuum. Apple has been very vocal about their moral and just employees superiority.

Apple paid millions to woman after repair workers stole nude images of her from her phone and posted them on her Facebook https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-settled-lawsuit-womans...

Authorized repair caught using knockoff screens in customers phones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETVJDUfZ5TM

And the end of the day we are all humans.

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by CryptoPunk on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:27AM (#30192091)
The vast majority of people, if they are already financial comfortable, would forego opportunities to steal and rob, even when the sums that doing so could garner them are astronomical. Those who lack this moral constitution are generally not entrusted with the kind of responsibility that would allow them to do grievous harm to society.

If this wasn't the case, society would fall apart very quickly.

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by raziel2p on Thursday February 03, 2022 @10:27AM (#30193613)
I think the fact society hasn't "fallen apart very quickly" has more to do with us building economical and organizational systems to prevent morally dubious people from doing whatever they want, not the fact that most people wouldn't.

How much of our moral inclination to not rob or steal would still be there if we didn't grow up quickly learning that it's illegal? Especially if we're not even stealing from a fellow human, but some anonymous corporation.

Furthermore, you only need a few people to break the rules to do damage and potentially erode trust in the system, and if that trust is gone, the social contract to behave well to each other is even more at risk.

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by 300bps on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:44AM (#30192270)
The vast majority of people...would forego opportunities to steal and rob

I agree with you 100%. The scary thing though is that if 99% of people wouldn't steal, just imagine how much damage those 3.3 million people in the U.S. can do. (That's 1% of the U.S. Population)

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by toss1 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @11:48AM (#30194805)
Yup, considering that the proportion of psychopaths in the general population is above 1%, and in organizations over 12% [0]...

[0] https://sapienjournal.org/latest-estimate-of-psychopathy-in-...

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by lmc on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:04AM (#30191895)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you don't get into cryptocurrency work to make the world a better place. Or rather, those that do should not be trusted around secure code. /snark
Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by ejb999 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:41AM (#30192245)
>>You find the employees who wouldn't steal because they believe that money isn't everything.

Or just the ones that want to be able to sleep at night without worrying about that knock on the door by the feds in a midnight raid. Some people could live with that stress - I know I couldn't.

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by oblio on Thursday February 03, 2022 @07:54AM (#30191814)
Good luck with that! Plenty of honest people would blink when hearing about that kind of money, let alone all the dishonest ones that would try to persuade you that they're honest.

It's life-changing money.

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by fallat on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:18AM (#30192017)
No need for luck. There are already a surplus of examples of this. Look at the massive amount of extremely high impact open source projects that don't have malware embedded in them.

Yeah it's life-changing if money is your reason for living. I recommend you read a bit from Seneca the Young to understand where I'm coming from.

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by romeros on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:44AM (#30192271)
>> I recommend you read a bit from Seneca the Young to understand where I'm coming from.

A better recommendation is to actually close down the computer and put away the mobile phone and actually go out from the bedroom and interact with real people.

This way, one gets an idea about how the real world works and see the true nature of human traits and behaviors.

If you just sit at home and read Arthur Schopenhauer, Marcus Aurelius and Plato you will build a mental model of reality that doesn't exist in the real world. Your naivety would show and you will be taken advantage of without even you knowing it.

Do both. Philosophy to improve yourself but also step outside the home to understand how real life works. Best of both worlds!

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by fallat on Thursday February 03, 2022 @10:03AM (#30193282)
I said that in the most sincerity. I find of all the stoics, Seneca is by far the most based in the real world.

All I feel is your comment degrading me.

I recommend Seneca exactly because I interact with real people and feel his written thoughts express very well why there are many people who can work on a project worth millions and not steal anything.

Sorry if it came off any other way, really.

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by enkid on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:28AM (#30192095)
The problem the above posters are referring is not that they feel life is about money or even that most people feel life is about money. The problem is reliably telling the difference between people that feel that way from those that don't. There's no recruitment process that can possibly determine whether someone, when faced with the prospect of walking away with $300M or not would make the right choice. It's just too extreme to be able to simulate. And you have to get it right 100% of the time. If you have 100 employees and get it wrong 1% of the time, you still have a problem.
Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by fddhjjj on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:33AM (#30192147)
Does the current evidence noted by fallat — the massive amount of extremely high impact open source projects that don't have malware embedded in them — suggest the error rate is much much lower that 1%?
Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by enkid on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:38AM (#30192190)
Open source projects are not a good point of reference because by their very nature they invite external validation. If you are trying to steal $300M, you don't tell people before hand that you are going to do it. There also a difference between the money being right there, only one step away from being yours and infecting open source software with the possibility of maybe stealing something in some company that may or may not use your software in a way that would allow theft months or years after you submitted an update.

Edit: After doing some research, it appears that claims that open source doesn't fall victim to this problem are factually incorrect. [0]

[0] https://blog.sonatype.com/open-source-attacks-on-the-rise-to...

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by fddhjjj on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:50AM (#30192327)
No one made the claim that open source universally don’t fall victim to dishonesty. We were discussing the rate.
Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by pfooti on Thursday February 03, 2022 @10:19AM (#30193518)
The problem at hand, though, is that the only reason I can see people working on crypto is precisely for the money. I mean sure, there's some small number of purists out there, but I get DeFi recruiter emails all the time. The only thing they have going for them is compensation.

I would suspect that a large number of engineers working in crypto are heavily motivated by money above all.

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by moron4hire on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:30AM (#30192112)
> find the employees who wouldn't steal because they believe that money isn't everything.

Rarer than gold plated unicorns in the crypto sphere

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by malermeister on Friday February 04, 2022 @01:25AM (#30203502)
The employees who think money isn't everything... and decide to join a company that is about money and money only?
Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by api on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:33AM (#30192140)
It's going to be harder in the cryptocurrency ecosystem where everything is a scam anyway.
Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by pmlnr on Thursday February 03, 2022 @07:54AM (#30191816)
"money"

We're still talking magical beans here.

Re:In second largest DeFi hack, Blockchain Bridge loses $320... by danuker on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:02AM (#30191864)
Magical beans or not, the market pays for them.