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Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by pmalynin on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @02:20PM (#30182592)
We’ll it’s interesting in this case, because technically speaking a peace treaty was never signed and North Korea is in the state of war with the United States. So is it really a crime to attack a hostile state?
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by capableweb on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:00PM (#30183168)
> North Korea is in the state of war with the United States

I'm not sure where this comes from, but you're now the second person I see on HN to say this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29896969). Is this "common knowledge" in the US or something?

Here is what I said the last time:

>> The US and KP are technically still at war (the Korean war stopped with a cease fire, not a treaty) and the US and its allies levy sanctions on them that hurt.

> Technically, I don't think the US and North Korea ever been at war. South Korea and North Korea are technically still at war though, as they signed the treaty with each other, not the US.

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by mlyle on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:14PM (#30183346)
None of the US wars since WWII have been formally declared wars. They're still wars.

The conflict with North Korea ended with an armistice, not a formal treaty. The armistice intended for peace treaty discussions to start 3 months later... and they never really did.

The US, UN Command, and North Korea are still operating under a temporary cease-fire that's now basically 70 years old. (I don't think South Korea even signed the armistice).

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by wongarsu on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @04:12PM (#30184130)
If you're technically not at war then you can't at the same time be technically still at war. Neither side declared war against the other or is currently acting like they are at war, thus they aren't at war.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by irjustin on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @07:10PM (#30186339)
They are technically at war[0].

> acting like they are at war, thus they aren't at war

It matters legally that you are technically at war even if you aren't acting like it. It allows the specific wartime actions.

South Korea this matters and the UN as well. North Korea is actively sanctioned as a result of not being at peace.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_conflict#Korea

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by nsxwolf on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @10:55PM (#30188420)
I would add to the “at war” column: the VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) grants membership to any US service members who have been stationed in South Korea.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by tomphoolery on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @04:30PM (#30184329)
Tell that to the North Koreans :P
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by mrbald on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @04:56PM (#30184618)
Looks like every man and his dog is an expert on North Koreans. Did it occur to you that most citizen there are hostages of the own state and may be fighting hard to get a piece of bread on the table? I highly doubt they give a shit to the US, or the internet or the hacker wars of any kind.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by jerrysievert on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:26PM (#30184966)
> I highly doubt they give a shit to the US, or the internet or the hacker wars of any kind.

somehow, I don't think that those are the people that are being targeted. it's the "elite" who actually have internet access, and can also eat.

those who make the decisions, and those who are friends of those who make the decisions would be the ones affected by the internet being down, not those who can barely eat and obviously don't have internet access.

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by emodendroket on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @11:16PM (#30188588)
So then you're the expert on North Koreans' lives I suppose. Unlike the other fakers who are saying things you dislike.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by judge2020 on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:17PM (#30183384)
2016: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-idUSKC...

> The United States rejected a North Korean proposal to discuss a peace treaty to formally end the Korean War because it did not address denuclearization on the peninsula, the State Department said on Sunday.

2018: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/asia/korean-summit-intl/index...

> Then they signed the Panmunjom Declaration for Peace, Prosperity and Unification on the Korean Peninsula, which commits the two countries to denuclearization and talks to bring a formal end to conflict. It was a startling conclusion to the first meeting between leaders of the two countries in 10 years.

2021: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-korean-lead...

> "I once again urge the community of nations to mobilize its strengths for the end-of-war declaration on the Korean Peninsula," Moon said in a speech to the annual gathering of the world body.

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by emodendroket on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @11:15PM (#30188584)
And who signed the armistice agreement that "ended" the war?

If you are wondering why this is "common knowledge" in the US it might be because just a few years ago there were questions about whether this state of affairs should be changed. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/02/27/donald-tru...

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by vkou on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:03PM (#30183199)
Technically speaking, there hasn't been a peace treaty between Russia and Japan, either. That doesn't mean we've spent the past 77 years waiting with bated breath for yet another conflict over the Kuril islands to break out.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by riku_iki on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:52PM (#30185304)
They didn't sign peace "treaty", but they signed declaration of ending war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_Joint_...
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by rhino369 on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:35PM (#30183658)
You can't go by technicalities. But even if you go by technicalities, we never declared war in the first place it. It was a "police action."

I'd imagine it is a crime to attack a state that we are in a cease fire with regardless.

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by more_corn on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:02AM (#30188914)
Is this the first time a civilian has been able to perpetrate an attack on a country? I find the novelty of it amusing.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by regem on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:40AM (#30189428)
It's happened before. It's where the term "filibuster" comes from. As an example, an American named William Walker briefly took control of Nicaragua.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_War

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by narag on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:37AM (#30189414)
Is this the first time a civilian has been able to perpetrate an attack on a country?

That's the definition of terrorism when it's not "domestic terrorism".

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by pulse7 on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:30PM (#30183586)
Wars can end without peace treaty. Just see the history: there were many more wars than peace treaties...
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by emodendroket on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @11:17PM (#30188593)
It was not that long ago that whether to formally end the Korean War or not was the subject of spirited debate. Like, a few years ago. You guys telling me the War is actually over should have told them they didn't need to waste their time.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by raxxorrax on Thursday February 03, 2022 @06:07AM (#30191018)
In this case it seems to be just a retaliation as NK was the aggressor. The article is lazy though as there is zero information.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by spaetzleesser on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @11:47PM (#30188815)
“So is it really a crime to attack a hostile state?”

I don’t know if it’s illegal per se but it’s definitely a dangerous game. If there are any misunderstandings things like this could lead to retaliation and ultimately armed conflict.

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by HarryHirsch on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:11AM (#30189956)
Yes, like that accidental pipeline hack. That group that shut down a good chunk of the national oil supply didn't have a letter of marque, so they were dealt with.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by beckman466 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:52AM (#30189161)
> technically speaking a peace treaty was never signed and North Korea is in the state of war with the United States. So is it really a crime to attack a hostile state?

that seems to be standard US foreign policy. it's probably actually worse in reality; where the US even 'intervenes' even if it does have a peace treaty with them. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by i67vw3 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:57AM (#30189869)
Dude will be awarded his countries highest civilian award for contribution to his motherland. /s
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by blooalien on Friday February 04, 2022 @02:08AM (#30203706)
A free stay in PrisoneyLand Federal Resort? ;)
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by tagoregrtst on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @08:24PM (#30187082)
There’s an active truce that keeps the belligerents from killing more people than died in WW2.

Ya, if I were the State Department, if be pissed

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by jxidjhdhdhdhfhf on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @02:29PM (#30182731)
Who knows. It seems like anything can be interpreted as a crime these days. Hopefully he's got good lawyers advising him.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by TedDoesntTalk on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @02:33PM (#30182790)
Agreed. This is immensely foolish on his part. And he can rest assured that his identity is known.

One crime does not justify another.

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by moron4hire on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:44PM (#30183792)
I don't think the North Korean government would have standing in a US court.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by landemva on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @04:00PM (#30184002)
Though US government claims standing in UK court to take Assange.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by at-fates-hands on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:03PM (#30184720)
We signed an extradition treaty in 2003 with the UK:

The Parties agree to extradite to each other, pursuant to the provisions of this Treaty, persons sought by the authorities in the Requesting State for trial or punishment for extraditable offenses.

https://irp.fas.org/world/uk/extradite.pdf

As I understand it, this was an extension of the original 1972 treaty.

Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by gowld on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:06PM (#30183227)
NK committed a sovereign act of war, not a crime. NK is not under common jurisdiction as the victim.
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by TedDoesntTalk on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:20PM (#30183438)
Individual citizens don’t get to define acts of war
Re:North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet by logiccontroller on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:19AM (#30192026)
Probably if you are a civilian.