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Re:Settings are not a design failure by taeric on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @01:56PM (#30182206)
This isn't limited to software. Many don't know that cars indicate where this the fuel tank is. Or that seatbelts lock if you pull them all the way out.

Really, the list of hidden features on products is such that nobody has solved discovery. Affordances that work are ones that mimic already learned behaviors. But shared learning is not as universal as folks think it is.

Interactive systems that let you ask "what will this do?" Or "why did that happen?" Are very good. But even that is hard to work with sometimes. Consider how few folks use the apropos utility.

Re:Settings are not a design failure by brimble on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @02:19PM (#30182579)
> Or that seatbelts lock if you pull them all the way out.

Haha, I'd think only people who were never in a car as a child wouldn't know that. An adult might not mess with them enough to suss out that behavior, but kids loooove playing with seat belts.

Re:Settings are not a design failure by bobbylarrybobby on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @07:17PM (#30186413)
Or people born before seatbelts were invented
Re:Settings are not a design failure by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:20PM (#30183431)
> Or that seatbelts lock if you pull them all the way out.

My brother-in-law is large enough that when he pulls his seatbelt out far enough to actually go around him, it locks, and he absolutely hates it.

Is there a reason this "feature" even exists?

Re:Settings are not a design failure by lloeki on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:24PM (#30183508)
Attaching baby car seats, you're supposed to reel it out all the way which triggers the lock (or rather one-way reel) and then reel it in with the guarantee that it won't reel out.
Re:Settings are not a design failure by LeifCarrotson on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @03:22PM (#30183476)
I assume he's not a parent? That feature is used every time you install a child's carseat.

Edit: Gah! As a Dad myself I am compelled to add that his lack of experience with carseats is clearly aparent to me.

Re:Settings are not a design failure by oxfeed65261 on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @04:26PM (#30184279)
This is no longer true, at least since 2003 in the US. Car seats are now attached using the far-more-secure three-point LATCH system. I never once “used this feature” when installing a car seat for my now-twelve-year-old.
Re:Settings are not a design failure by LeifCarrotson on Thursday February 03, 2022 @11:39AM (#30194653)
The LATCH system has a maximum combined weight of the carseat plus child of 65 pounds. As a result, the threshold varies with the weight of your carseat and weight of your child, but a typical 4- or 5-year old probably should be using the belt.

https://csftl.org/whats-the-deal-with-weight-limits/

Personally, I don't think that was a good threshold to set. I agree that the LATCH anchors are better. In 2003, I suppose people were mostly using carseats for infants and toddlers in little 10-pound styrofoam shells, now we know kids are safer in carseats until they're significantly older and heavier, and they're in 25-pound adjustable, heavily bolstered bucket seat style carseats.

Re:Settings are not a design failure by bradstewart on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:29PM (#30185001)
For what it's worth, whilst my car and carseat have the LATCH system, this particular carseat requires use of the seat belt instead of the LATCH lower anchors for kids over 30 pounds.
Re:Settings are not a design failure by mh- on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:28PM (#30184992)
yeah, I had no idea this was the purpose behind the feature until this thread - my kids are young enough that our cars have always had LATCH since they were born.