Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs

Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by colinmhayes on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @12:13PM (#30165720)

In my state the school zone speed limit is only in effect if it's a school day and there are children around. If all the kids are all inside it's the normal speed limit. I guess Tesla could just use the school zone limit all the time during school times, but people would be annoyed.

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by qubitcoder on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:30PM (#30166933)

At least in Georgia, there's at least one yellow light with a speed limit sign attached. During active school hours, the yellow light will flash on and off.

On my daily commute, there's two overhead flashing yellow lights. Previously, my Model Y would begin to brake and then speed back up, thinking it's a normal traffic light (prior to FSD). With FSD, it's at least smart enough to know not to brake; but it certainly doesn't read the speed limit from the sign, as it normally would.

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by smachiz on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @12:31PM (#30166025)

which state has "when children are around" as part of the law? Feels ripe for abuse and kind've unlikely....

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by burkaman on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:30PM (#30166929)

Massachusetts: https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009r1r2/part7/part7b.htm#sec...

Can be times of day, "when flashing", or "when children are present". Time of day isn't great because of irregular after school activities, events, delayed starts because of snow, etc.

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by GravitasFailure on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @12:44PM (#30166224)

California is one.

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/what-does-when-ch...

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by russdill on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @10:59PM (#30173517)

I live near a road that is divided and normally a 50, unless children are present. It'd be nice if they had flashing lights.

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by hateful on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:31PM (#30166959)

New York is one also, even though the signs don't say it.

https://www.dot.ny.gov/about-nysdot/faq/posting-speed-limit-...

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by smachiz on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:49PM (#30167215)

This doesn’t say when children are present - it says school days and maybe specific times. No?

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by hateful on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @05:08PM (#30170184)

meant to reply one level higher in the thread.

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by ben174 on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @12:48PM (#30166287)

California signs all say "When children are present". But I do think that's not a terribly difficult determination for a machine to make.

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by core-utility on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:29PM (#30166917)

The idea of present might be a difficult one. I'm not up to speed on any court cases that have determined what present means, but it's likely more nuanced than a simple "can Tesla identify a child in sight". A human would be more likely to play it safe and just obey regardless.

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by sgustard on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:40PM (#30167083)

My understanding is "present" means "school is in session", regardless of whether any children are visible.

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by colinmhayes on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:44PM (#30167143)

Illinois https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=0...

> On a school day when school children are present and so close thereto that a potential hazard exists because of the close proximity of the motorized traffic

this lawyer https://www.jolietlaw.com/will-county-attorneys/understandin.... claims that means the limit is not in effect when kids are inside

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by tshaddox on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @01:41PM (#30167102)

I don't know the actual law, but California has school zone speed limit signs that say "when children are present."

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Re:Tesla to recall vehicles that may disobey stop signs by vkou on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @02:25PM (#30167776)

This doesn't have to be state law, it can be municipal law. All it takes is city council putting up a sign that says "15 MPH when children are present".

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