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Re:MNT Reform laptop has fully open hardware and software–fo... by mindslight on Monday January 31, 2022 @11:16AM (#30149633)
This review would have been much better if written by a different author. This reviewer seemingly can't get over his biases for the hyperoptimized consumer market, and isn't the least bit interested in servicability or software freedom. These things are certainly trade offs and that needs to be acknowledged, but the review constantly "others" the desire for such things rather than critiquing the device within that context. This leads to useless critiques like focusing on the lack of processor speed while concentrating on bloated webapps. The author even forgoes trying "Maestral, a lightweight macOS and Linux client for Dropbox", which if truly lightweight should have run fine!

Meanwhile it sounds like the MNT has some real flaws (the battery discharging thing), but the context of that isn't really described - can the battery controller IC use much less power but the proper code hasn't been written, or is it a true design mistake, or what? In general open hardware involves some very hard tradeoffs, and this review just complains about that difficulty the whole time while pretending not to.

Re:MNT Reform laptop has fully open hardware and software–fo... by stereolambda on Monday January 31, 2022 @12:14PM (#30150559)
I appreciate that the reviewer takes more of a perspective of a mainstream consumer, and he does acknowledge that people caring about this kind of hardware have ther points. Some random reader stumbling upon this article wouldn't fare "better" with this laptop (well, they possibly could if they sought help from the community...). So it's a fair representation. If someone wants to appreciate this product, they probably have to adapt a slightly different mindset, not fully communicable by a review.

I am interested in MNT Reform for a long time myself, though haven't pulled the trigger yet. The different architecture thing (= some inconveniences with software) and the question of whether it would handle Zoom calls (with an external webcam of course) are among good points to consider. One definitely would have to plan their productive use around this laptop if it were to become a daily driver. I'm used to doing my serious business computing on a desktop, but still.

Re:MNT Reform laptop has fully open hardware and software–fo... by mindslight on Monday January 31, 2022 @01:05PM (#30151515)
> So it's a fair representation. If someone wants to appreciate this product, they probably have to adapt a slightly different mindset, not fully communicable by a review.

Yes but the review could and should be within that mindset, while making clear that it differs from a mainstream consumer product. Instead this review is like 'I guess if you care about <mindset>, then you're fine with <subpar spec>', while never really reviewing <subpar spec> within the context of other comparable options.

Like why did they choose a Freescale quad A53, rather than say the hex-core RK3399 of the Pinebook Pro? I assume it's because the system-on-module makes it possible to upgrade. Explaining that in-mindset tradeoff would be valuable, but it's completely missing.

Furthermore there is a comparison of mindsets to be done. For example if you are concerned with servicability but not Free software or ARM, this probably isn't the machine for you.

FWIW personally I segregate my usage of modern bloatware to separate machines, rather than taking a clean trustable machine (that I'm paying for in other ways) and then polluting it with unknown blobs. Devices have become inexpensive ($1300 price tag on this notwithstanding), and it's easier to give proprietary bloatware the environment it expects rather than trying to swim upstream.

Re:MNT Reform laptop has fully open hardware and software–fo... by jogu on Monday January 31, 2022 @01:49PM (#30152311)
The crowdsupply page has some insight on why they chose the SoM:

https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform

> Both SoC and memory chips sit on a System-on-Module (SoM) that we source from Boundary Devices, a US company that specializes in i.MX reference designs. We selected their "Nitrogen8M SOM" module for Reform because it is the only available module for which you can download the complete schematics and understand what every component does.

Re:MNT Reform laptop has fully open hardware and software–fo... by pengaru on Monday January 31, 2022 @11:51AM (#30150125)
> Meanwhile it sounds like the MNT has some real flaws (the battery discharging thing), but the context of that isn't really described - can the battery controller IC use much less power but the proper code hasn't been written, or is it a true design mistake, or what?

There's a known (and fixed) keyboard LPC power drain issue, which is likely what TFA described.