> it's kind of fascinating.

For me I'd replace that with: scary. Full size A4 paper and bigger screens in cars you can stream movies on while driving (distraction leading to accidents); the Las Vegas Loop which is just a tunnel for only one type of car (waste of infrastructure space); pushing untested AI (crashing and killing people). These aren't fascinating things.

I don't like the pedestrian killing murder-machine aspect of their vast In Vehicle Entertainment systems at all. The Vegas Loop tells such a strong tale though, to me, of control over infrastructure itself, in a vulgar & horrific way.

Just like Tesla's charging infrastructure! Can you imagine if you had to find a Ford or a Toyota gas station to fill up at? This world used to be able to get along, to find general welfare. Cooperation used to exist. Tesla keeps being more and more an example of anti-cooperative anti-civil market-capture horseshit. A car no one else can repair, with it's own charging infrastructure, it's own roads: this screams "THE ENEMY" to me. It's the most capitalist-lowlife Lawful Evil behaviors writ large here, on display: vulgar & primitive exercises in dominance, with no pretense that there's space for anyone else in the world, no sense in leaving any room for any one else on the planet.

Tesla's charging is different because they created their charging infrastructure before anyone else. The first supercharger was built in 2012. Despite Tesla open sourcing their patents[1], other EV manufacturers used different standards. Also Tesla is starting to let non-Teslas use their superchargers.[2] All Teslas can use other charging stations, though they'll charge slowly. Newer Teslas (since late 2019) have support for the high speed Combined Charging System standard and Tesla is rolling out CCS adapters.[3] Lastly, most EV charging happens at home using level 1 or level 2 systems, which are standard NEMA plugs that Tesla sells adapters for.

If Tesla's goal was to lock-in their customers and exclude other vehicles, they seem to be doing all the wrong things.

1. https://www.tesla.com/legal/additional-resources#patent-pled...

2. https://www.tesla.com/support/non-tesla-supercharging

3. https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-y/tesla-ccs-adapter-activa...

tesla was not even a notion when electric car charging was created. tesla did not create somethint feom nothing, other systems existed.

tesla making a patent pledgeh not early, in 2014- doesnt incentivize anyone to pick tesla's bespoke new charging technologies, if your cars wont reap the benefits of interoperability with their system. tesla didnt say their charging infrastructure would work with your cars, only that you could go make your own copies of either car or charger network.

your messaging is extremely strong & you raise some very good points. from my perspective though you are still concealing, hiding, denying more than hapf the facts. random irrelevant facts like teslas being able to consumer actual standards get thrown in, but of course tesla wants to be a parasite on othercs network externalities while providing no net benefit themselves, yet you describe this lopsided controlling behavior as if it's in their favor. you throw in non-network-effect charging as though it should have an impact on society growing positive network effects for itself: this also feels ultra-contrary to the point. even if true, it means i cant go to a friends and expect my non-tesla to get a charge.

everything here is shit. your "rebuttals" are examples of tesla insisting on their own game. you ignored the points about LV & the impossible-to-repair-out-of-network problems with tesla. i am not mived by your arguments, they feel distracting & misdirecting.

> Full size A4 paper and bigger screens in cars you can stream movies on while driving (distraction leading to accidents);

Teslas will only let you watch videos if you're in park. This has always been the case.

> the Las Vegas Loop which is just a tunnel for only one type of car (waste of infrastructure space)

It cost $50m to construct, which is 1/5th the cost of similarly-specced people movers or trains. The second-cheapest bid was by Doppelmayr/Garaventa Group and would have cost $215m. The loop has met or exceeded all of the benchmarks set by the Las Vega Convention & Visitors Authority.[1] The program has been so successful that LVCVA purchased the Las Vegas Monorail system just so they could get rid of the monorail's noncompete clause and allow a larger Vegas Loop to be constructed.[2] Later, Clark county unanimously approved construction of the Vegas Loop, which is planned to have 51 stations and 29 miles of tunnel.[3]

> pushing untested AI (crashing and killing people)

No vehicle running the FSD beta has been involved in a death. You're talking about the autopilot features, which are a form of traffic aware cruise control. Many of the claimed fatalities turned out to be reckless drivers. For example: a fatal crash in Texas last April originally blamed autopilot and claimed that it was "100 percent certain" that no one was in the driver seat at the time of the crash.[4] The preliminary NHTSA investigation found that the driver was in the driver's seat, had not buckled his seat belt, and had pressed the accelerator to as high as 98.8%. (This was in a 778 horsepower Model S that could go from 0-60mph in 2.4 seconds.) NHTSA investigators could not engage autopilot on the road where the crash happened, since that road had no lane markings.[4] Also the owner of the vehicle had not purchased the the option to allow autopilot on surface streets.

There are many legitimate criticisms that one can level at Musk & his companies, but you haven't made them.

1. https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/tourism/boring-co-s-t...

2. https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/tourism/lvcva-expecte...

3. https://twitter.com/ClarkCountyNV/status/1450877187779796992

4. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/19/22391890/tesla-driverless...

5. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/driver-was-behind-wheel...

He does not have good lobbyists.

Have you seen Tesla being the only company not invited on electric car day in white house?

https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a37244461/elon-musk...

Do you know that Tesla will be excluded from tax credits for EVs?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/energy-secretary-defends-tes...

Do you know that Texas where Tesla is building its next factory does not allow to sell Teslas?

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-law-keeps-teslas-made...

Eh, he just needs to touch up his PR when it comes to labor relations.

> Do you know that Texas where Tesla is building its next factory does not allow to sell Teslas?

You think you can't buy a Tesla in Texas? What planet are you on?

Yes, Texas does not allow direct sale of cars.

You have to buy your Tesla out of the state and Tesla will deliver the car to Texas.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-law-keeps-teslas-made...

https://insideevs.com/news/510302/tesla-no-sales-allowed-tex...

Biden administration is explicitly designing laws to prop up other car companies and exclude Tesla.

It's not just about labor PR, they want to force Tesla to unionize.

But Tesla will not unionize and they will be the only ones without subsidies. Extremely shitty lobbing.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/energy-secretary-defends-tes...

> What planet are you on?

Uhh, Texas?

You cannot buy a Tesla in Texas. Technically speaking, the transaction happens out of state and the car is shipped to you in Texas. Legally speaking Tesla has never sold a car in Texas. They have Tesla "galleries" where you can look at cars, take test drives, customize your order, and they'll help with the paperwork for you to buy it out of state.

I don't think Texas is alone in their dealer franchise laws.

I'm interested to know how he's going to get away with that truck that looks like its designed to cut pedestrians in half.

I don't understand why this is an argument against Tesla - how is it different than any other large truck?

Front bumpers of most cars/truck are generally plastic and can at least absorb energy of an impact with a pedestrian (albeit the hood is often near neck high and can snap their neck)

Tesla paraded their new truck with 'stainless steel body panels all around'. I don't know about you, but I've banged my shin into a steel tow hitch. I don't want anything remotely close to that on the road.

That doesn't make sense to me. I watched some pedestrian crash test videos, there is no energy absorption by the bumper. It's bad news to be hit by any car. (I'm no Tesla fanboy)

Most pedestrian crash tests are at low enough speed that there isn't visible energy absorption, plus most dummies aren't equivalent to most human scales. They tend to be modeled after a 6' adult male at around 200lbs.

The bigger issue with larger vehicles is their height around people current full size or even mid-size SUVs and trucks have gotten larger than their former variants. You're much more likely as a pedestrian to get run over than to be hit by a car and land on the hood or the windshield (which is by far the better position to be in during an accident). The crash bar behind the bumper on all cars have a thick layer of foam that contributes to the 'softness' of a bumper.