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Re:Reclaiming the lost art of Linux server administration by sseagull on Friday January 28, 2022 @03:20PM (#30119794)
People who have been woodworking for decades can own very expensive tools so that they can create very complicated things.

People who are experts in cars can own very expensive cars and tools to tune them.

People who have been working in music can have very expensive instruments and expensive headphones, microphones, sequencers, etc.

We seem to be looking down on experienced "computer experts" and wanting to take their tools away. It's been grinding my gears lately.

Re:Reclaiming the lost art of Linux server administration by hackthefender on Friday January 28, 2022 @04:13PM (#30120433)
I don't think that's the point the commenter was making. The analogous situation would be if someone posted that they made their kitchen table from scratch, and the commenter said that it's great but not everyone has a lathe in their basement, so good that places like Ikea exist as well.
Re:Reclaiming the lost art of Linux server administration by cerved on Friday January 28, 2022 @04:52PM (#30120875)
bruh nobody's looking down on people running they're own metal

Server hardware is fun but it's not trivial to manage, buy or run.

So when someone talks about how they've managed servers for 2 decades, own a house where they can install a 42 rack and how much better it is than a hosted solution. A lot of people rightly point out that this is hardly feasible for most people

Re:Reclaiming the lost art of Linux server administration by lrvick on Friday January 28, 2022 @09:06PM (#30123052)
I started self hosting when I was 12 with whatever last gen hardware at goodwill no one wanted.
Re:Reclaiming the lost art of Linux server administration by DarylZero on Friday January 28, 2022 @05:49PM (#30121557)
People don't need a 42U rack to put a server in their closet though. You buy some surplus server on ebay and throw it on a shelf, no big deal.
Re:Reclaiming the lost art of Linux server administration by cerved on Saturday January 29, 2022 @03:16AM (#30124708)
It's really not that easy. There's a lot of considerations to make. Which rack size, model you want. Finding someone who will ship that brick to you. Not trivial
Re:Reclaiming the lost art of Linux server administration by maccard on Saturday January 29, 2022 @06:49AM (#30125609)
Well it is, to get started. If your needs are "mild to moderate", you can buy a brand new intel NUC or a mac mini for <$500 if space is a priority, or go on ebay and buy a beater laptop (I found 5 advertised for <$100 within a minute of searching).
Re:Reclaiming the lost art of Linux server administration by DarylZero on Saturday January 29, 2022 @08:09AM (#30125969)
Yes it's trivial. Just go on ebay and buy something. Finding someone? Literally ebay.com. Found.

Also I said _not_ buy a rack, just put it on a shelf.

Re:Reclaiming the lost art of Linux server administration by hackerfromthefu on Friday January 28, 2022 @11:53PM (#30123896)
Got an old laptop laying around?
Re:Reclaiming the lost art of Linux server administration by nikau on Saturday January 29, 2022 @08:26PM (#30132732)
Not sure why you would need heaps of servers these days given everything is x86 and VM tech is robust and free