Apple removes Python 2.7 in macOS 12.3 beta

Re:Apple removes Python 2.7 in macOS 12.3 beta by necovek on Friday January 28, 2022 @10:17AM (#30115614)

What server-oriented GNU/Linux distributions do is to keep patching those vulnerabilities themselves.

If they need to do it for a year, it's not that hard.

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Re:Apple removes Python 2.7 in macOS 12.3 beta by nicce on Friday January 28, 2022 @10:28AM (#30115782)

But is it worth it actually? I doubt that this MacOS version is used on servers…

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Re:Apple removes Python 2.7 in macOS 12.3 beta by mattl on Friday January 28, 2022 @10:41AM (#30115983)

Define server.

Public webserver? Unlikely for sure.

Office fileserver? Absolutely.

Build server? Sure.

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Re:Apple removes Python 2.7 in macOS 12.3 beta by nicce on Friday January 28, 2022 @10:59AM (#30116289)

If we go to that road, how often you need Python 2 for fileserver or build server?

Now, what is the percentage of that among all MacBooks on latest MacOS out there.

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Re:Apple removes Python 2.7 in macOS 12.3 beta by Wowfunhappy on Friday January 28, 2022 @01:36PM (#30118584)

I think this mindset is dangerous. There's a really long tail of niche things people do on their computers, such that I suspect a majority of users have at least one niche need. Especially today, when Chromebooks and iPads are available for anyone who only needs basic web browsing.

If you stop paying attention to the niches, they add up to a lot of people.

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Re:Apple removes Python 2.7 in macOS 12.3 beta by nicce on Friday January 28, 2022 @01:50PM (#30118769)

You are right, but I would say that this is quite extreme case. This is a programming language which support ended 2 years ago. Only reason to use it is to avoid turning old code base to new one. There are some serious questions if that is really a good approach. And if it is, why you need to use pre-installed Python 2 instead of installing it by yourself?

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Re:Apple removes Python 2.7 in macOS 12.3 beta by Wowfunhappy on Friday January 28, 2022 @02:24PM (#30119152)

I expect that there are users, who are not themselves developers, who are using either apps or scripts which rely on the system-installed Python 2. They likely aren't aware that they're using Python, and they may not even know what Python is. It could be one line in one shell script block in one automator action that a coworker put together five years ago.

It's okay for that stuff to break. (I wish Apple would put more effort than they do into making it break less often, but that's neither here nor there.) But, it should break in a major release, when the user is prepared for things to break. It should not break in an update that was installed automatically overnight.

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Re:Apple removes Python 2.7 in macOS 12.3 beta by reaperducer on Friday January 28, 2022 @11:48AM (#30117118)

If we go to that road, how often you need Python 2 for fileserver or build server?

Monthly, for me. Or more often if, like last week, a new customer required it.

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