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Re:Why Quantum Mechanics? by guerrilla on Friday January 28, 2022 @04:37AM (#30112564)
> I have a lot of trouble imagining any experiment which could completely rule out every other influencing factor

It's called Bell's theorem and it can even be tested at home[4]. There are no local hidden variables in quantum mechanics.[1][2][3]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_theorem

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden-variable_theory

4a. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcqZHYo7ONs

4b. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzRCDLre1b4

Re:Why Quantum Mechanics? by lulantivaxxers on Friday January 28, 2022 @10:26AM (#30115756)
Thanks for this, hidden variable theories are very seductive but Bell's Theorem is definitive.
Re:Why Quantum Mechanics? by naasking on Friday January 28, 2022 @12:20PM (#30117568)
It's definitive that you have to give up locality (Bohmian mechanics), counterfactual definiteness (Copenhagen and others), or statistical independence (Superdeterminism). It's not definitive at all about local hidden variables.
Re:Why Quantum Mechanics? by guerrilla on Friday January 28, 2022 @12:41PM (#30117876)
> It's not definitive at all about local hidden variables.

What?

> To date, Bell tests have found that the hypothesis of local hidden variables is inconsistent with the way that physical systems do, in fact, behave.

Re:Why Quantum Mechanics? by naasking on Friday January 28, 2022 @12:55PM (#30118068)
Bell's theorem assumes statistical independence in its proof that local hidden variables can't reproduce QM. Superdeterminism violates statistical independence, therefore Bell's theorem does not rule out a superdeterministic local hidden variables theory, like this one:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2010.01327v5

Re:Why Quantum Mechanics? by guerrilla on Friday January 28, 2022 @01:08PM (#30118263)
Oh, thank you. I've been meaning to check her blog on this.