Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by nielsbot on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:15PM
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cryogenic cooling tho?
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Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by chias on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:17PM
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Wouldn't solve the problem. Basically you need the integrated components to have shorter transition times. These are an inherent property of the component: speeding up the transition time basically means "replace this component with a different component that has a shorter transition time"
Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by dragontamer on Thursday January 27, 2022 @12:47AM
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Overvolting the component and sending more current to any transistor tends to speed it up, though at the cost of severely more watts used.
Overclocking is often a combination of overvolting (leading to more amps), allowing you to increase clock speeds.
Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by chias on Thursday January 27, 2022 @02:09AM
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As they say, "the candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long", or, in this case, "the transistor that runs at thrice the voltage runs for about 1.3 seconds"
Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by R0b0t1 on Thursday January 27, 2022 @11:25AM
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Overvolting is how this is solved and works with adequate cooling.
Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by zeusk on Thursday January 27, 2022 @12:09AM
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Google propogation delay, your pipeline's length and delay of devices within that pipe determine the max frequency your circuit can run at (a very high level overview).
Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by kingosticks on Thursday January 27, 2022 @12:49AM
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How is pipeline length related to max frequency?
Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by amluto on Thursday January 27, 2022 @01:54AM
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Itβs related indirectly. A longer pipeline tends to result in shorter stages within the pipeline. (This is the whole point of pipelining.)
Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by kingosticks on Thursday January 27, 2022 @03:32AM
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OK, yes there's often correlation but that's it. A longer pipeline doesn't affect max circuit frequency.
The other sibling comment regarding distance isn't true. regardless of how insane your feedbacks are. Physical placement tools have always handled this in my experience (as a chip designer for 10+ years).
Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by u320 on Thursday January 27, 2022 @06:03AM
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There is no point of lengthening the pipeline if you don't get higher frequency from it. It would just add complexity and and a higher branch mispredict penalty.
Re:Alder Lake Core i9 processor is faster than the M1 Max
by enchiridion on Thursday January 27, 2022 @01:06AM
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Physical length the signal has to travel.