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Re:No, Ethereum Name Service is still a clown show by carlosdp on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:11PM (#30091022)
>ENS is not decentralized in the sense that there is binding, non-human, trustless enforcement of what you may consider to be desiderata, such as:

> not seizing people’s names

This is false. Before control over the ENS protocol was handed over to the DAO, they made it impossible for the controller of the protocol to revoke any ".eth" name.

Re:No, Ethereum Name Service is still a clown show by yanmaani on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:16PM (#30091104)
Of course, but what happens when they selectively raise the renewal fee for your domain to $500 quadrillion? (Also, what prevents them from changing the controller back, if they have 51%?)
Re:No, Ethereum Name Service is still a clown show by carlosdp on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:52PM (#30091640)
The renewal vector is the only way atm, yes. But it's easy to prevent this as a .eth holder: just register for a really long time. Costs like $500 to register for 100 years for most names.

As for the controller bit, even if you change the controller, we can't revoke the .eth names. We can only change new registration parameters (as you mention).

Re:No, Ethereum Name Service is still a clown show by wallacoloo on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:35PM (#30091403)
i haven’t kept up with ENS to this deal. they moved from a multisig to a DAO. as GP claims, they also restricted the set of actions available to governance before this move. on the face of it then, it doesn’t look unlikely that the DAO will vote to further restrict its own abilities as time goes on. this exact mechanism has been used to progressively decentralize other protocols, and as we see with other “governance tokens” (e.g. Uniswap — where IIRC governance can tweak like one single boolean parameter), massively restricting governance abilities doesn’t destroy the viability of the token (which is to say, it’s not clear to me in which direction the finance incentive — if any — points with regards to such “ungovernance”).
Re:No, Ethereum Name Service is still a clown show by carlosdp on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:50PM (#30091610)
^ this, except I'd add that as a large ENS delegate myself (as one of the founders of Metaphor), I and other large delegates don't factor in the price of the token into decisions.

We never intend to sell $ENS, it's a public good, not a profit-generating protocol. Think of it like an on-chain B-corp.

That said, if you really want to make sure you can't ever face the "egregious renewal fee" attack vector, you could just register it for a really long time. For most names, it costs like $500 to register it for 100 years.

Re:No, Ethereum Name Service is still a clown show by chizhik-pyzhik on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:36PM (#30091406)
This wouldn't happen as it's against the economic interests of the ENS DAO. Similar to a company maximizing the value of its stock, the DAO aims to maximize the value of the $ENS token by being a good steward of the project.

The whole point of a DAO like this is to try to create good incentives for the project without central control.

Re:No, Ethereum Name Service is still a clown show by yanmaani on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:50PM (#30091603)
Is that always true, or just in some cases?

For example, a website hosting child pornography I think would be quite detrimental to the value of the project. Would the ENS holders seek to maximize their economic value, or "property rights"? Or is child porn good for business?