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Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by rkk3 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:57PM (#30089050)
>> It has killed more than 865,000 Americans

> It looks like that's more Americans than have been killed in combat in all of the wars of the 20th century combined [1]

Like all deaths tragic, but let's not pretend young men, effectively kids, dying in war is the same as elderly & chronically sick populations dying of disease.

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by gibspaulding on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:57PM (#30091727)
I would personally agree (though you will find people who won't), but I found it to be an interesting comparison just to get an idea of the scale.
Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by DanBC on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:00PM (#30091765)
> Like all deaths tragic, but let's not pretend young men, effectively kids, dying in war is the same as elderly & chronically sick populations dying of disease.

Where elderly means > 40 and chronically sick includes "has a bit of high blood pressure".

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by nradov on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:59PM (#30092587)
Elderly doesn't mean > 40. More than 81% of COVID-19 deaths occur in people over age 65.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precaut...

Fortunately the vaccines and other treatments are still very effective in preventing deaths among the elderly population.

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by rkk3 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:33PM (#30092227)
> chronically sick includes "has a bit of high blood pressure".

The CDC says > 40% of US adults are obese (> 100 Million people!) and 13% of US adults have diabetes. If that's not a chronically sick population I don't know what is.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html [2] https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/pdfs/data/statistics/national-d...

Re:Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates by Melatonic on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:57PM (#30092549)
This is the elephant in the room I was trying to talk to people about at the very start of this pandemic. People are endlessly willing to talk about how divided we are about all kinds of issues and yet the fact that we cannot at minimum rally behind the fact we need to deal with the obesity epidemic is a bad sign.

My big problem with the initial lockdowns was not really about the larger lockdown at all - we just (obviously in hindsight) went too far with locking down larger, wide open places where people exercise.

Spring break in Miami with people crammed onto a beach? Probably a bad idea. A few surfers going in the water a hundred feet from one another and some other people doing a morning run? Likely a net benefit to Covid outcomes.