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Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by dendriti on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:11PM (#30081589)
My experience in SEA in general and Bali specifically (as a Malaysian), prices are not simply a matter of speaking the language. Vendors often charge based literally on your social class/status.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by throwaway2037 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:16AM (#30087348)
Thank you to share so directly! Can you share some specific experiences?
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by fastball on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:29AM (#30082117)
In other words: your skin color.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by fxtentacle on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:16AM (#30083405)
No, your manners. Plus little details like a nice watch, clean shirt, how you arrive, perfume, hair style, etc.

It's basically the same as if you go to a trade show in the US. All the salespeople are trying to figure out which visitors are CEOs and, hence, worth their time, and which ones are just curious amateurs.

Maybe Google "Thuan Pham" - the Vietnamese Uber ex-CTO. He's doing it so well that even for us westerners it's easy to see that he's in a position of power. He isn't going to be charged tourist pricing due to his skin color (which is normal for Vietnamese). He's going to be charged tourist pricing because of his behavior which indicates that he's mind-boggingly rich and powerful.

Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by Aeolun on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @05:58AM (#30084015)
He doesn’t seem particularly mind bogglingly rich to me? Maybe his behavior?
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by fxtentacle on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @06:23AM (#30084195)
I thought he got $80 mio in Uber shares some years ago. In Ho Chi Minh City - the capital of his home country - you can buy a good freshly cooked lunch like Com Suon Op La (steak with egg, rice and fresh vegetables) for $0.50

So for everyday living, $80mio in Vietnam is going to feel like $8bio in the US (because steak in a restaurant is $50 instead of $0.5 for a 100x multiplier in living costs).

Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by 323 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @06:45AM (#30084367)
Parent was saying that if you saw this guy on the street, you wouldn't think he's a deca-millionaire just by the looks, which is what you implied. In most pictures he projects a middle manager look.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by L_Rahman on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:40AM (#30082193)
Vendors in Bangladesh, where I grew up and where my family is from and where I look like I was born, try to rip me off the second they get the slightest inkling I'm American.

Very little to do with skin color, it's just most often the biggest giveaway that the buyer is a foreigner.

Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by dendriti on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:07AM (#30083019)
No... please don't put words in my mouth. Social class is somewhat related to color in SEA, but not to that extent.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by fastball on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @09:55AM (#30086171)
Social class is very related to skin color, at least in Bali. Balinese cover themselves up extensively to avoid getting any darker, cosmetic products are specifically advertised as having bleaching properties to make you whiter, etc – all because historically darker skin was associated with the lower/lowest caste (peasants) and lighter with the upper.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by throwaway2037 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:26AM (#30087524)
Most cultures in East/South/Southeast Asia have a similar reaction to skin colour for the dominant local ethnicity. For example, when in Tamil Nadu, (sadly) local people with darker skin are considered lower class. (Positive note: This is less and less true when you talk to young, highly-educated Indians!) As a counterpoint, of course, this would not matter if a group of wealthy South Indian-descent Malaysians walked into a business/shop/restaurant in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. (For less knowledgeable readers: South Indian-descent Malaysians are a comparative minority in Malaysia -- Wiki says only 6.6%!)

This is strictly personal, but where I grew up with mostly light skinned people... showing up after winter holidays with a dark tan made you look so hot and so rich! Did anyone else feel the same? It carries into my life as an adult. :)

Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by throwaway2037 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:18AM (#30087395)
Holy crap yes! There are loads of very wealthy, dark skin South Indians in Malaysia! I can tell when they roll-up in a fancy car, good clothes, and private school accents!
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by dustintrex on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:43AM (#30082211)
That's a factor, but given the kaleidoscope of ethnicity in most of SE Asia, it's nowhere near that straightforward. People can and do pick up on social class based on dress, the way you speak, the way you address others etc, just as they do in the US.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by coldtea on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @03:58AM (#30083298)
Nah, that's mostly a western preoccupation.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by fastball on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @08:51AM (#30085330)
As someone who lives in Bali: you are very wrong.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by coldtea on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @09:02PM (#30095202)
If you mean them hating expats and entitled nomads, everybody does. That's not racism.
Re:Agatha Christie could afford a maid and a nanny but not a... by fastball on Thursday January 27, 2022 @03:57AM (#30097982)
Definitely not what I'm talking about.