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Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by rgrieselhuber on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:29PM (#30076761)
Natural immunity, what a concept!
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by r00fus on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @06:49PM (#30079804)
Don't worry BA.2 is right around the corner and it's not clear if the BA.1 variant (Omicron) gives you immunity to BA.2. Lots of people infected with Delta, also caught Omicron.

So yeah, you're immune but possibly not for the next variant, and that variant may be more severe.

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @09:02AM (#30085461)
Quick, be afraid!
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by r00fus on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:05PM (#30089188)
I mean it is a global pandemic with millions of dead and new variants that may pose new challenges. Caution? What a surprising concept!
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:52PM (#30089992)
Depends on your definition of caution.
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by r00fus on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:07PM (#30091859)
Throwing up your hands and saying "eh, endemic now, might as well open it all up" is definitely not caution.
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @04:27PM (#30092147)
As the alternative to the totalitarian measures we've lived through in the last two years, I'll take it every day of the week. The good news is, you can always lock yourself down if it's a concern to you. There's not really any need to go out of the house anymore if you want to set things up that way.
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by NikolaeVarius on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:31PM (#30076782)
As opposed to artificial immunity?
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by pcbro141 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:57PM (#30077149)
Natural immunity is acquired from exposure to the disease organism through infection with the actual disease.

Vaccine-induced immunity is acquired through the introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by qbasic_forever on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:08PM (#30077329)
None of the COVID vaccines in use by the western world use an attenuated virus. The mRNA vaccines were specifically built and engineered to not have many of the pitfalls and issues of attenuated vaccines. The vaccines only contain a synthetic spike protein (or instructions how to make it) which is used to stimulate antibodies against it.
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by rgrieselhuber on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:34PM (#30076837)
Not sure immunity is what I'd call it but, artificial, yes.
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by flatiron on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:43PM (#30076976)
Maybe “artificially evoked natural immunity”?
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by yladiz on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:38PM (#30076892)
What?
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by NikolaeVarius on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:43PM (#30076981)
By what mechanism do you think vaccines work. Magic?
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by daenz on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:06PM (#30077293)
Are you advocating for calling vaccination "natural immunity"? That's a pretty big change in the messaging to date.
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by ygjb on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:15PM (#30077438)
Not really.

Natural immunity is what anyone who gets vaccinated or infected acquires, assuming that the immune response is successful.

Immunity acquired from infection is more regularly referred to as convalescent or infection-induced immunity; moreover the messaging has consistently been that while there have been some studies that convalescent immunity can potentially be as or even more effective than vaccine induced immunity, it comes at a significant increase of complications, ranging from organ damage to the fairly nebulously defined long covid, and most of the studies that are credible in the field that have endorsed the effectiveness of convalescent immunity still recommend vaccination to avoid the potential impacts of even "mild" infections.

The rampant claims about so-called natural immunity by people may be drowning out correct or rational voices, but that shouldn't indicate that the messaging has changed, just that the messengers are spreading misinformation.

Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by daenz on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:27PM (#30077585)
It is a big change in the messaging, as the director of the CDC as well as fauci use "natural immunity" to refer to immunity acquired through natural infection. I can provide numerous examples of this.
Re:Pfizer and BioNTech launch trial of Omicron-targeted Covi... by standard458 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:13PM (#30077400)
Whole immunity versus GMO immunity?