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Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by solidrake on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:17PM (#30074560)
How long should they provide software updates for? 3-years? 5-years? 10-years? What would be an acceptable cut off date for providing updates? I wouldn't expect companies to provide updates for their old hardware forever, but what would be an acceptable date that will benefit both consumers and the company itself.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by nr2x on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:28PM (#30074751)
As this article aptly demonstrates every time a phone is bought it is an opportunity to leave an ecosystem.

The manufacturer cannot guarantee that that the phone sold to a consumer will be replaced with a phone from the same company. So it's definitely within the interest of the company to support the phones for longer to keep consumers in the ecosystem.

Pretty sure that's the whole point of pixel 6.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by akamaka on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:27PM (#30074734)
Apple now is managing to give 7 years of support for iPhones, so that’s a good number to aim for.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by jandrese on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:44PM (#30075058)
What if vendors released the source code for the hardware drivers after the devices fall out of official support? Even if nobody at the company has time to support the hardware there is always a chance that the community can take over.

This is how Linux maintains driver support for hardware long past the point where it doesn't work on modern Windows or MacOS. I've noticed several occasions where the support stops because the kernel was updated and nobody wants to make the effort to port the drivers forward, especially since those drivers were delivered as a binary blob.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by zwieback on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:24PM (#30074686)
Right, that's the calculation any consumer good producing company has to do. When we buy industrial equipment we pay a huge markup for vendor promises that they'll support for 10+ years. It's painful at the time but we have automated manufacturing equipment that's been running 20+ years. When I purchase controllers, sensors, motors, etc. it cost me double or triple what I could have paid but now I'm happy I did.

But I also know that our products (PCs and printers) can't have that same support model, we'd be out of business and we don't have a lucrative ad business that could buy us customer loyalty via loss leaders. I think 5-8 years is reasonable.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by tempnow987 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:52PM (#30075197)
5 years minimum - 7 years would be competitive with apple.

The thing is - apple has the history / reputation here. Google has promised updates forever with various initiatives, rarely delivers.

Apple doesn't actually promise much here that I know of, but seems to deliver and deliver.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by BakeInBeens on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:14PM (#30075578)
They offer five years of security updates on the Pixel 6 and eight years of security updates for any chromebook from 2020. Nest and Chromecast devices also all get five plus years of updates. The minimum should be this across all android/chrome OS manufacturers though.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by tempnow987 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:26PM (#30075784)
If I buy a pixel 6 today, I'll get updates for 2 years.

On apple, iOS 15.2 is available for a phone that is 8 years old?

Based on past experience, I expect if I bought an iOS device today - I'd have updated for at least 5 years.

Apple was releasing updates for iOS 12 as recently as 2021. That's for phone back from 2013 (!).

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by BakeInBeens on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @04:15PM (#30078142)
If you buy a Pixel 6 today you get OS updates until October 2024 and security updates until October 2026 which is shown on Google support pages. Similar to if you were to buy an iOS device except you'd only have past experience to go off because they won't actually promise you anything.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by criddell on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:23PM (#30074659)
What I want is for them to commit to supporting a device for some number of years after it's introduced so I know what to expect when I buy one. It should be one of the things manufacturers compete on.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by WolfRazu on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:27PM (#30074744)
Google commited to five years of security updates for the Pixel 6. It was one of their big selling points for the device.

https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en-G...

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by renewiltord on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:25PM (#30074701)
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by ak217 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:35PM (#30074877)
At least as long as their main competitor, which currently has a phone that has been supported for 6.5 and will probably remain supported up until 8 years from its release date (iPhone 6S).
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by jokoon on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:46PM (#30075086)
How about improving software standards so it can last longer?

Why must software always need to be updated? Software can be stable.

This industry makes throwaway software just so it can keep pumping hardware forever.

Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by flatiron on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:58PM (#30075309)
Or improving updates. Why can my Linux distro not care what model I whatever I have but every bit of android is specifically tailored to that exact phone model
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:09PM (#30075497)
It's easy you know from testing when your silicon or other parts of the phone are going to degrade beyond the point of it being useable. If you sell hardware that is not obsolete for your customers but you make it obsolete because of software you pulled the trigger to early.
Re:Google Is Forcing Me to Dump a Perfectly Good Phone by post-it on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:55PM (#30077135)
Forever, until they release the firmware source. It's a "shit or get off the pot"-type situation.