News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by reaperducer on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @09:56AM (#30072427)
that's the reason why I don't buy Chinese crap anymore. I'm not saying that I don't buy anything made in China, almost everything is made in China, but everyone should avoid Chinese crapware.

This is one of the big reasons that Apple locked down its Lightning/USB ports so hard.

There were tons of fake Apple chargers flooding the market that contained exfiltration circuitry, among other problems. It was a huge topic in tech circles, and on HN, at the time. I even have a few "data condoms" leftover from those years. (If you don't remember, they're little dongles you put between your USB cable and the USB charger that only have the power lines connected.)

The fact that it also locked out bad cops was a bonus.

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by gruez on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @10:00AM (#30072477)
>There were tons of fake Apple chargers flooding the market that contained exfiltration circuitry, among other problems. It was a huge topic in tech circles, and on HN, at the time.

source? I've heard of fake charges being planted with exfiltration circuitry as part of a targeted attack (eg. by red teams or actual bad guys), but I haven't heard of aliexpress vendors shipping them out en-masse.

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by samstave on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:59AM (#30074300)
in ~2005 whilst I was the IT manager at Lckheed Martin's RFID division - we were implementing TLS on Exchange for all email... among other security measures...

We had a compromised machine (linux) and had to un-plug it...

BUT

On the security calls was an interesting conversation about the Chinese infiltration of Lockheed.

Lockheed, had at the time, only (3) three egress connects to the internet.

The chinese did the following:

1. They did phishing attacks on those who worked at Lockheed + plus their orbit who attended various conferences and events... giving them seemingly valid contact info (business cards and such) of their agents who also attended said events.

2. Would email the Lockheed Targets and in the emails contain links to military phishing links which would install malware on said target's machine...

3. Would trickle out data so as not to be exposed...

4. Would attack known international suppliers of Lockheed's sub-components through air-gap measures (meaning that Lockheed epoxied USB ports in machines and suppliers were (ironically) then required to transfer data via USB sticks... and China was infecting the machine which the supplier was loading the USB sticks with such to infect Lockheed employees once they received and connected said sticks...

How this was discovered:

Lockheed employees bitches about machine being slow. Investigation ensues and the trickle malware is discovered;

The chinese know they have been discovered and they open the floodgates on all their bots within Lockheed...

HUGE firehose...

Lockheed had to shut down all three egress until resolution...

Yeah, china is in EVERYTHING.

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by webmaven on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:37PM (#30075969)
Hey, this is a really interesting anecdote, you should write it up and publish as a blog post or submit it to HN.
Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by samstave on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:52PM (#30076192)
No thanks - the last time I did an anecdote about being on the design team to FB MLPW building and what they were doing WRT security - the legal team submitted a cease+desist order and threatened to ruin me, which they did and I have had a zero tech career since, per se...

There is so much dark in tech. Spying on all levels. Every single thing you say is now not only subject to legal action, but also dark pools of intel action...

Anyone ever notice that palantir has dropped off the HN map? Yeah...

Look at reddit driving the narratives these days... I have stories about exactly when and how reddit began to drive the negative narrative....

Fuck them all...

Reality is being coopted by ...

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by tablespoon on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:45AM (#30074039)
> There were tons of fake Apple chargers flooding the market that contained exfiltration circuitry, among other problems.

I think you're conflating two separate issues. IIRC, I think the exfiltration concerns were more for "in place" chargers at places like airports. There's definitely a separate retail "fake Apple charger" problem, but that has more to do with safety and quality control.

It wouldn't make much sense for a retail fake Apple charter to have exfiltration circuitry, because then you run into the problem of how to exfiltrate some rando's data from some random charter. Also I'm guessing that stuff would be expensive. It really only makes sense to me for a thing like that to be a targeted attack (e.g. swap out some research scientist's charger at a conference, and place an exfiltration receiver near his hotel room).

> I even have a few "data condoms" leftover from those years. (If you don't remember, they're little dongles you put between your USB cable and the USB charger that only have the power lines connected.)

Those are useful for other things. For instance, I have some devices that deactivate and switch to transfer mode when they connect to data, so I use those for charging those devices while I'm still using them. Also, I think they can allow faster charging from a data-enabled port in some cases.

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by warning26 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:13AM (#30073519)
Given the vast financial incentive apple has for keeping its chargers proprietary, I find it difficult to believe Apple is doing this for the primary reason of benefitting their users.
Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by reaperducer on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:21AM (#30073660)
I don't think phone chargers register even a blip in the financials of a trillion-dollar company.

But the bad press and bad customer experience from people having problems with "Apple" chargers probably does.

It's called protecting the brand.

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by kwhitefoot on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:53PM (#30075211)
DO IPhones automatically trust things plugged into them? My Android mobiles and tablets always ask me before allowing anything other than charging.
Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by tim333 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:24AM (#30073713)
Has Apple had any USB chargers prior to the USB C ones on recent macs? I think in the past it was all magsafe on macs and lightning or the 30 pin thing on iPhones.