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Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by DrBazza on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @09:55AM (#30072415)
> "efficient" MBA eloi outsourced everything to morlocks a long time ago.

This is the biggest weakness of the West - and it all stems back to "share holder value".

Companies, US ones, in particular, seem to have some absurd drive to pay endless dividends to shareholders, and drive 'value' via share price, by appearing to be profitable.

In other words, get stuff from the cheapest provider.

It didn't help that at the same time people like Carl Icahn came along and stripped a company that was cheap to buy, but also sat on a pile of cash. And again, if he could 'drive value' for the share holders, said company was a target.

Eventually state-level politics appear - artificially low-prices Chinese goods because the CCP fix the exchange rate, or subsidise an entire market to corner it globally.

Rinse repeat, and that's where we're at now.

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by Workaccount2 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @10:09AM (#30072599)
People don't realize that the US defense budget is practically the only thing keeping American manufacturing alive.
Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by 3pt14159 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:20PM (#30076640)
Eh. Manufacturing has never gone down in GDP terms. It just seems to have gone down due to layoffs as a result of further mechanization of production.
Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by Scoundreller on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:01PM (#30076353)
Massive consumer demand helps too.
Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by rafale on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:23AM (#30073704)
It wouldn't be so bad if we outsourced to countries that are ideologically compatible with the West. The problem is China. Not outsourcing itself.
Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by toss1 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @10:15AM (#30072679)
Yup, and it's even more directed than that.

Western MBAs and politicians think they know that manufacturing is just a fungible commodity and think that we're exploiting cheap Chinese labor to 'drive shareholder value'.

While they have this myopic focus on quarterly results, the CCP has a 100- and 500-year plan, and is happily exploiting that myopia for strategic economic and military value, including subsidizing massive undercutting of entire industries in order to kill all but their own. The result is that they are gaining the deep know-how of manufacturing, the ability to compromise their adversaries' military gear at the component level, and the ability to choke off supply chains.

Although there is still barely time to repair this, it will go down as a strategic blunder of historic proportions.

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by mach1ne on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @10:43AM (#30073056)
This was the case some 10 years ago, but Chinese labor is no longer cheap. The wealth brought in by making China the factory of the world drove the income level of its middle class up and now there are few advantages in manufacturing your products in China.

Western manufacturers are constantly pulling their factories back from China, many having gained an ultimate net loss from moving in in the 90s and now relocating again.

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by toss1 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:37PM (#30076886)
Yes, they have made a net loss, and meanwhile transferred an insane amount of technology to China. But those managers got their bonuses and are long-gone...

And sure Chinese labor isn't as cheap, they've moved up the value chain some, but it is still cheap enough compared to US wages to make items and ship them here - particularly with China's lax environmental and labor laws.

The relocations to even cheaper labor-rate counties are still an improvement, as at least they aren't creating all levels of strategic disadvantage...

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by reaperducer on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @10:40AM (#30072995)
and it all stems back to "share holder value".

Which is just a business buzzphrase for "Greed."

The West is being eaten alive by its own greed, and the Chinese are just watching us do it.

Re:We purchased a machine from China and it came with malwar... by WesolyKubeczek on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:08PM (#30075479)
Chinese are just as greedy and corrupt, make no mistake.