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Re:We're migrating many of our servers from Linux to FreeBSD by zie on Monday January 24, 2022 @04:28PM (#30064297)
I'm not trying to hate on SELinux, it's great stuff, for what it is. I'm not trying to hate on you either, though clearly you seem to have hatred towards me, which is just sad.

I'm happy to accept that SELinux is now built-in to Linux, the kernel parts do indeed seem to be built in now, news to me, thanks for that. I don't follow Linux kernel stuff much anymore, I haven't contributed to Linux in over a decade.

You seem to assume SELinux is the end-all be all of Linux security. It isn't. I recognize, based on your other comment, that you are fairly new to the field(a whole decade, go you!). Please open your mind and accept differing perspectives, it will do wonders for your ability to reason about security properly.

HardenedBSD[0] essentially implements grsecurity for FreeBSD, plus FreeBSD has built-in capabilities with Capsicum[1], which is true capability based security, which is much different than SELinux's MAC stuff. If you don't believe me, go read the capsicum paper[1] and come to your own conclusions, it might prove enlightening.

Also, see CheriBSD. :)

0: https://hardenedbsd.org/content/easy-feature-comparison 1: https://papers.freebsd.org/2010/rwatson-capsicum/

If you just want to continue hating on me, no reason to respond, we can go our separate ways. If you want to have a reasoned discussion about security, then I'm happy to continue.

Re:We're migrating many of our servers from Linux to FreeBSD by YATA0 on Monday January 24, 2022 @04:56PM (#30064617)
>You seem to assume SELinux is the end-all be all of Linux security.

Never said or implied anything of the sort.

>I recognize, based on your other comment, that you are fairly new to the field(a whole decade, go you!).

I've been implementing secure, hardened UNIX and Linux probably longer than you've been alive. I just specifically worked on DoD TS+ systems for a decade.

The rest of your Gish gallop is nonsense. Linux also has capability based security ON TOP of all the other aspects of security, SELinux included.

>If you want to have a reasoned discussion about security

That's not possible with you. You instantly showed how little you know about security in general when you flouted your lack of SELinux knowledge, then you proceeded to Gish gallop and sealion because you've been called out.

Stop it.

Re:We're migrating many of our servers from Linux to FreeBSD by ybloviator on Monday January 24, 2022 @07:43PM (#30066336)
And they say BSD users have attitude issues, lol.
Re:We're migrating many of our servers from Linux to FreeBSD by YATA0 on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:58PM (#30068238)
I also use BSD, AIX, Solaris, etc. As someone stated below, maybe I'm "just tired of people who offer ignorant opinions and argue based on conjecture and not actual knowledge."
Re:We're migrating many of our servers from Linux to FreeBSD by zie on Monday January 24, 2022 @06:26PM (#30065609)
If this is how you interact with people in the real world, I feel sorry for them. Grow up and interact with humanity better.
Re:We're migrating many of our servers from Linux to FreeBSD by skeptical1 on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:50PM (#30067286)
Maybe he's just tired of people who offer ignorant opinions and argue based on conjecture and not actual knowledge.
Re:We're migrating many of our servers from Linux to FreeBSD by YATA0 on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:27PM (#30068006)
DING DING DING DING DING
Re:We're migrating many of our servers from Linux to FreeBSD by YATA0 on Monday January 24, 2022 @06:46PM (#30065824)
>If this is how you interact with people in the real world, I feel sorry for them.

IMAX-levle projection. The only one here you should feel sorry for is yourself.

> Grow up and interact with humanity better.

"no u". Grow up and take the L with grace.