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Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by sgt101 on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:52AM (#30060249)
Hopefully this kills "alt gold" ideas for BTC for good. No one can hold it as a hedge vs equities now after the correlated fall.

I feel awful for everyone in El Salvador and Turkey and elsewhere who've been conned into holding this instead of fiat and are now in a mire - a mire that probably involves not eating.

Christ, I decided that I couldnt handle the BTC risk - people who encouraged those folks to take it on should be... well... should be sorry.

Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by VonGuard on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:11PM (#30060571)
What really scares me is the TV ads. People like Big Papi and Matt Damon advertising Crypto buying platforms to people during football games is HORRIFYING. Once I saw those ads, I knew the end was near, and that these crypto platforms had literally pivoted to selling these things to completely clueless greedy people.

Like the old adage said, when your shoe shine boy has a stock tip, it's time to sell. And when your aunt has an opinion about crypto, it's time to sell, as well.

Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by sgt101 on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:54PM (#30061229)
Real conversation about crypto - with my hairdresser.

Him : "NFT's are going to revolutionize the art market"

Me : "I don't know much about that, I just laugh whenever one of those bored monkeys gets right clicked and they all go mad about it".

Him : "What do you mean"

Me : "Someone copies the jpeg and uses it and they can't stop them"

Him : "nahhh you can't steal them"

Me : "It's only the meta data that's on a blockchain"

Him : "I have a question, right"

Me : "I dunno"

Him : "But do you know what a blockchain really is?"

Me : "Ahh, well, ahh... yes, I think I do, I'm a bit hazy on some of the maths, but errrm yeah"

Him : "I don't, noone can ever explain it, but everyone seems to want to buy into it so ...."

So - it's not evidence but still I think that almost all investors in crypto have little to no idea of what they are investing in. This is not good.

Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by fho on Monday January 24, 2022 @04:29PM (#30064318)
"So ... the blockchain is basically just a linked list with each item holding a cryptographically signed copy of the content of the previous item. Each item additionally holds a collection of transactions that happened in the last ten minutes. That way everybody is able to check if somebody who claims to own something really owns the item/coin/NFT of interest."

Honestly ... your hairdresser will have doubts that you are not messing with him.

Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by sgt101 on Monday January 24, 2022 @05:54PM (#30065249)
I think my explanation was not as good as your one, and yes, he thinks I'm messing.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by delabay on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:01PM (#30060409)
Forbidding folks in these countries (Turkey, Lebanon, Argentina, Venezuela) from holding a crypto alternative to their native currency is sentencing them to a guaranteed loss of 90%+ of their purchasing power, versus weathering crypto volatility.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by The-Bus on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:17PM (#30060660)
I agree with this statement but the solution is not solely crypto nor does that provide any inherent value to residents outside of those nations.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by delabay on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:34PM (#30060927)
In aforementioned countries the established financial system becomes a tool of theft by the government. Just listen to news reports or podcasts from normal folks who have to survive under these conditions. Thought you had a dollar denominated savings account? It's Liras now. Want to withdraw your money? Limited to $40US a day.

Crypto is one compelling alternative. Note, I lump a reputable USD stablecoin in here too. It's all software after all.

Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by specialist on Monday January 24, 2022 @01:15PM (#30061545)
> ...a tool of theft by the government.

How is theft by grifters (whatever we're calling crypto-bros) better?

Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by sgt101 on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:20PM (#30060725)
There does need to be a solution for countries that do this - that is to say indulge in radical devaluation; but it is clearly not BTC or ETH. It could be a properly backed and regulated crypto currency, one that also could be used without burning barrels of oil. There is no such crypto currency though, and there may never be one.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by jeffbee on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:05PM (#30060481)
Falling off a cliff while hodlers hold on for dear life means that BTC is exactly like gold. Gold hit its all-time real-dollar high price in 1980, and never regained that price, but gave birth to the gold bug phenomenon. I imagine it can be the same for crypto: in 2065 the hodlers will still be wistful for that 2021 high price. And let's face it many of the crypto people are the same people who were super into gold, too.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by sgt101 on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:34PM (#30060931)
The point about gold is that traditionally it's been seen to be inversely correlated with equities, which means that you hold gold and equities in your portfolio to give you stability. If equities and BTC correlate then that hedge won't work.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by WithinReason on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:12PM (#30060580)
> I feel awful for everyone in El Salvador

From 2 days ago: El Salvador Buys $15 Million Worth Of Bitcoin ‘Really Cheap,’

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharysmith/2022/01/21/el-salv...

Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by ravingraven on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:03PM (#30060449)
Nonesense. The Lira has been massively losing value since 2008 while Bitcoin has been massively gaining value for years, the only Turks that are not eating because of Bitcoin are the ones who bought it the past few months.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by dudeinjapan on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:14PM (#30060619)
And the ones who bought BTC in 2009, well... man thats a lot of doner.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by sgt101 on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:17PM (#30060666)
Odd, I see a 38% gain for the Lira this year. Do you see something different? Also poor people tend to try to avoid inflation on a time scale of months, they can't hodl because they need to get their kids their dinner.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by hickimsedenolan on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:47PM (#30061130)
USD/TRY was 9.60 in October 24th, 2021, and 13.50 now. That's almost a 30% drop. It was also 18 at some point in November.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by sgt101 on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:59PM (#30061293)
BTC/TRY was 591572 24/10/2021 and it's 481599 now - 19% drop over that period.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by hickimsedenolan on Monday January 24, 2022 @01:06PM (#30061422)
That's correct, but it should be noted that Lira's drop is solely caused by the government's mismanagement.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by Tenoke on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:03PM (#30060443)
The Turkish lira is down more than Bitcoin over the last year so BTC still seems like a better proposition even right after such a big crash..
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by nafey on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:06PM (#30060491)
Lets revisit this comment in a week
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by bearjaws on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:10PM (#30060552)
I am curious how much BTC was used given the costs of transactions was very expensive, especially for a smaller economy.
Re:Bitcoin value tumbles almost 50% since record November by randomhodler84 on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:19PM (#30060694)
Onchain isn’t bad, it’s a few cents however smaller places like EL Salvador use Lightning network, which allows extremely low transfers (on the order of 1 sat). Lightning works better than a credit card.