News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by tim333 on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:44AM (#30058150)
As an occasional bitcoin holder, I don't think it's a Ponzi scheme. Who's the Ponzi schemer? How come every time it collapses it comes back bigger in a year or two?
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by manfredz on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:12AM (#30058569)
It's not a Ponzi scheme. It's a multi-level marketing or pyramid scheme. A percentage of every sale (transaction fees) of crypto goes to the other coin owners of the crypto. For every crypto coin it works slightly different. For Bitcoin, the original design was that everybody could be a miner and (potentially) receive transaction fees. Now it's in the hands of a few with the computing power.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by cuteboy19 on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:00AM (#30058393)
70% of Bitcoin holders bought in last year. A continuous stream of greater fools is necessary for its price to even remain at the current level

Also, every ponzi scheme gives amazing returns, before it inevitably collapses. For example Madoff was able to give decent returns to his investors for 17 years! 'Number go up' is not a refutation of a ponzi scheme.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by tim333 on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:08AM (#30058513)
Yeah but with a Madoff/Ponzi scheme the thing collapses, Madoff goes to jail, it ends. Bitcoin seems more like other assets that don't make things, stuff like fiat money, gold, fine art and so on.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by immibis on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:30PM (#30060872)
Yeah, it's the world's first decentralized Ponzi scheme. There's nobody to put in jail - its value just drops to 0.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by DarylZero on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:11AM (#30058554)
It literally is just fiat currency. Bitcoin is a way to make fiat currency independent of government.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by hypertele-Xii on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:42AM (#30059000)
...but dependent on the price of electricity and computers.

Guess which governments have the most of both.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by it_does_follow on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:40AM (#30058980)
> stuff like fiat money, gold, fine art and so on.

This comment is a great example of how little bitcoin enthusiasts tend to understand about investing. One of this things is very much not like the others.

"Fiat currency" is virtually never used as an investment asset. Even in the FOREX market you purchases pairs of currency rather than just a big pile of dollars. In your 401k when you want to go all "cash" you very often end up choosing investment vehicles that track cash.

The entire function of a currency is as a medium of exchange, it only has value in the process of exchanging. It makes no sense, at the individual investor level, to 'hold' dollars.

If you don't understand how a fiat currency differs from gold and fine art then you absolutely should not be "investing" in bitcoin.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by fallat on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:11AM (#30058558)
> A continuous stream of greater fools is necessary for its price to even remain at the current level.

I think HN is going to need a good explanation for this. The value is intrinsic, and can go up without any activity happening... I think there are other fools scouring about here in the comments.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by dpark on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:20AM (#30058688)
> I think HN is going to need a good explanation for this. The value is intrinsic, and can go up without any activity happening...

I think you need to explain this. In what way does bitcoin have any intrinsic value?

And how can this value go up without activity? A currency with no activity is literally worthless.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by podgaj on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:50AM (#30058250)
You are the Ponzi schemer. It is a combination of Pump and Dump and Ponzi. That's why it "comes back bigger".
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by tim333 on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:17AM (#30058629)
I think it comes back bigger each time because more people get involved. From a handful of tech geeks at the start to maybe 100m people this time around.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by lupire on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:15AM (#30058599)
only 7Billion suckers on Earth. Pretty soon you'll need aliens to buy BTC to keep propping up the price...
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by immibis on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:31PM (#30060887)
Bitcoin isn't even close to reaching all 8* billion people, so this Ponzi scheme has the ability to go even higher.