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Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by dragontamer on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:11AM (#30057733)
US equity doesn't pretend to be a low risk investment vehicle resistant to inflation worries.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by mule1 on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:16AM (#30057799)
Except it does
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by endisneigh on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:44AM (#30058159)
How?
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by mule1 on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:55AM (#30058326)
It's common financial advice if you invest in the US equity market index you will get a 7% return a year
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by endisneigh on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:10AM (#30058540)
Over long periods, on average, historically - no one is saying you will always get that in any given year.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by mule1 on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:14AM (#30059530)
Same with crypto. We have 10 years of data so far.
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Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by carnitine on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:47AM (#30059065)
What? The losses of 2008 were recovered from a few years later.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by simonh on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:28AM (#30057956)
It historically has grown reliably overall at the market level, but individual equities are not that at all. BTC specifically was supposed to be that, and it isn't.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by 3np on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:27AM (#30057948)
There is no cryptocurrency in the top 10 pretending to be low-risk. There are probably way more financial advisors claiming that US equity is low-risk than there are people claiming the same for any cryptocurrency.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by ulfw on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:25AM (#30057917)
Neither does crypto. Out of all things that's about the least "low risk" I've seen yet.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by dragontamer on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:28AM (#30057960)
Store of value.

US money printer.

Inflation hedge.

Do you think we forget what the crypto-bros said just a few months ago?

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by 3np on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:17AM (#30058638)
Bitcoin isn't pretending to be any of those (which is essentially what the claim is). Do you see any of that on bitcoin.org, anywhere in Bitcoin Core, or in the Bitcoin Whitepaper? Or in any of the top cryptoassets by market cap?

Don't conflate people talking about something with the thing itself.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by immibis on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:44PM (#30061092)
> Don't conflate people talking about something with the thing itself.

Bitcoin doesn't have a HN account. Listening to people talk about it is the only way to get information about it.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by acdha on Monday January 24, 2022 @02:10PM (#30062402)
Bitcoin proponents have been semi-continuously yammering about all of those for over a decade. If anyone seriously disagreed, there'd be a disclaimer on bitcoin.org.
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by thebean11 on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:35AM (#30058044)
None of those necessarily imply low risk / volatility, and on the long term chart crypto has satisfied all 3
Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by dragontamer on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:38AM (#30058087)
You can't be a store of value if your value drops randomly.

You especially can't be an inflation hedge if you drop while inflation goes up.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by thebean11 on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:59AM (#30058373)
Although obviously not as dramatic as crypto, gold has had huge drops and multi year bear markets, but it's still considered an inflation hedge. The housing market has had huge dips too.

Neither is as volatile as crypto, but my point is no asset has a guarantee that its value won't "drop randomly", simply not possible. Inflation was positive during the real estate crash of '08 and during multiple gold bear markets. If your time horizon is long enough, a volatile asset can still be a good inflation hedge.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by dragontamer on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:07AM (#30058496)
2008 was a period of deflation. Of course inflation hedges would drop, when inflation was negative.

Oil, housing, car prices all dropped at that time. Prices dropped so low that companies like General Motors went bankrupt.

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We face an opposite problem today. Prices are going up. Old established companies love this, they can sell their stuff at higher prices. Aka, inflation. Turns out crypto was terrible at hedging this scenario.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by thebean11 on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:35AM (#30058894)
You're right I stand corrected on '08, but if look at the 6m chart on a real estate index now it also seems like a bad inflation hedge. On the flip side, if you looked at crypto or real estate in November they seemed like amazing inflation hedges.

Most assets have tanked in the last couple months, so it's sort of misleading to single out crypto.

Re:$130B wiped off crypto markets in 24 hours by macacoprego on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:42AM (#30058121)
did you just said that crypto pretends to be a low risk investment?