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Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by XCSme on Monday January 24, 2022 @08:17AM (#30057200)
> Azure|Amazon > Hetzner|Linode > Cloudflare

Why not directly Hetzner|Linode > Cloudflare?

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by nightpool on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:24AM (#30058756)
Because Hetzner and Linode VPSs have fixed disk sizes, while Azure and AWS have basically infinite storage. You use your cheap commodity VPS as a cache, not a source-of-truth.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by manquer on Monday January 24, 2022 @04:18PM (#30064193)
Many of them have managed object storage services as well. OVH[1] and Linode[2], scaleway[3] have them, that should scale for most use cases and are S3 compatible APIs

Also Azure and Linode, Scaleway Backblaze and others are part of Cloudflare bandwidth alliance [4] so there shouldn't be egress fees between the two.

It is really only AWS which is a problem, you don't need this setup with any other provider.

[1] https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/public-cloud/object-storage/

[2] https://www.linode.com/products/object-storage/

[3] https://www.scaleway.com/en/object-storage/

[4] https://www.cloudflare.com/bandwidth-alliance/

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by XCSme on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:01AM (#30059276)
You can use block storage for scalable disk size: https://www.linode.com/products/block-storage/
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by throwawaygh on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:41PM (#30061036)
But then you're right back to the cloud billing problem, right?
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by XCSme on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:55PM (#30061234)
That's right, auto-scaling comes with this problem, but at least you removed one extra service/point of failure.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by bastawhiz on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:27PM (#30067118)
That's assuming you trust Linode block storage as much as you trust S3.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by XCSme on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @05:51AM (#30070424)
Trust in what sense? Uptime, security, privacy? I am not sure whether I can say I trust one or another, by personally I had a good experience with VPS/dedicated server providers, more than with cloud (AWS/GCP).
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by FpUser on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:58PM (#30061280)
Out of curiosity I tried to look up their pricing and the first thing I am greeted with when launching their price calculator is "you must allow functional cookies".

I disabled all shields for their side and still the same thing. Waste of time

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by XCSme on Monday January 24, 2022 @01:03PM (#30061368)
I personally never used Linode and can not recommend nor talk against it, I was just pointing out that if you want scalable solutions AWS is not the only answer.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by remram on Monday January 24, 2022 @02:31PM (#30062697)
If your cache is much smaller than the data, it will be ineffective, unless you think everyone keeps downloading the same tiny subset of files. That last assumption works for web content (e.g. newest articles see more hits) but probably not for data.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by nostrebored on Monday January 24, 2022 @09:43AM (#30058135)
So that you incur as much downtime risk as possible, obviously.

I hate these 'cloud economics' optimizations that people tend to try.

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by ipaddr on Monday January 24, 2022 @01:21PM (#30061633)
The risk that your service becomes faang popular and you suddenly need unlimited everything and need it immediately?

It is possible but highly unlikely. The more likely scenerio is you just continue overpay like a lot of others waiting for the moment. If that moment happens you realize with the sudden popularity your store inventory is sold out so you couldn't profit off of the extra traffic anyhow.

Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by squeaky-clean on Monday January 24, 2022 @02:37PM (#30062788)
No, downtime risk as in now you have 3 separate systems and organizations that can have unexpected downtime and consequently so will your app.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by Sebb767 on Monday January 24, 2022 @01:36PM (#30061879)
There's a clear trade-off between downtime risk and cost explosion risk. For a hobby/non-profit project, risking the downtime to possibly save 7k€ plus surely saving the surcharge of "scalability" is definitely worth it.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by ajmurmann on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:52AM (#30060252)
The best setup will forever remain Heroku free instance tier with a free Pingdom account providing traffic to keep it from getting shutdown
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by jeromegv on Monday January 24, 2022 @12:58PM (#30061281)
Free heroku as a maximum number of hours a day. The ping hack isn’t working anymore.
Re:I got pwned by my cloud costs by ajmurmann on Monday January 24, 2022 @02:50PM (#30062998)
Sorry, that comment want really serious and mostly a dolly example of bizarre cloud pricing hacking