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Re:Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron... by acdha on Saturday January 22, 2022 @09:33AM (#30036933)
The vaccines were approved to keep people from dying, with a secondary goal of REDUCING spread. The experts were very clear that vaccinated people would spread it less than the unvaccinated, and all of the data shows that’s correct. Omicron didn’t exist when that data was being assessed, so think about it like someone in 2000 saying RSA 1024 was good encryption — they were hardly in the pocket of big crypto when they updated that to RSA 2048 a few years later after the attacks got better.
Re:Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron... by encryptluks2 on Saturday January 22, 2022 @09:35AM (#30036948)
Have you read the EUA?
Re:Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron... by acdha on Saturday January 22, 2022 @09:50AM (#30037106)
Have you? You’re just regurgitating right-wing talking points, conspicuously short on sources or demonstrated understanding.

When you do read the lengthy material at https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coro... note that the approvals are based on fighting the disease. Reducing transmission — at which the vaccines were clearly highly effective prior to Omicron — is one part of that but an even more important part is preventing severe outcomes. Even with Omicron, the vaccines are highly effective at keeping you out of the hospital and even better at keeping you out of the ICU.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...

Re:Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron... by encryptluks2 on Saturday January 22, 2022 @01:21PM (#30039335)
Well, for one you are quoting the CDC which is not who approves vaccines.

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coro...

> The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is authorized to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in individuals 18 years of age and older.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211103065325/https://www.fda.g...

> The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and is now marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 in individuals 16 years of age and older.

Again, they were approved for prevention. The applications were for prevention. The FDA is trying to rewrite history, but if you look at the actual applications then you can verify what I'm saying is correct.

Re:Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron... by shadowgovt on Saturday January 22, 2022 @07:24PM (#30042334)
Covid-19, the disease, is a family of symptoms up to and including death.

SARS-COV-2 is a transmissible virus that causes the disease COVID-19.

In the medical jargon, disease and its causality are separate concepts (and this bifurcation honestly makes sense... There are quite a few diseases where the treatment is to regulate symptoms without any hope of doing anything to modify the underlying active agent other than wait out the immune system to deal with it). It is entirely possible for a therapy to "prevent disease" without reducing the transmission of the underlying virus that causes the symptoms that make up a disease.

It is unfortunate that because of the conflation of these ideas in the layman terms space, people misinterpreted what the vaccine was cleared to do. But blaming doctors or the FDA for that is like blaming computer engineers when users turn off their computer and then don't understand that everything in volatile memory wasn't saved to disk. "Where's my spreadsheet go? It was in the computer's memory, it should be here."

Re:Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron... by acdha on Saturday January 22, 2022 @01:45PM (#30039567)
I linked to the FDA, too, since I knew you either hadn’t read or understood the documents someone else summarized for you. The part you quoted confirms that: note the distinction between the disease and the virus which causes it. Everyone knew that vaccinated people could still spread, but it takes longer to get data quantifying exactly how much and since the data showed very high efficacy against serious cases there was no ethical reason to delay protecting people waiting on that.
Re:Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron... by encryptluks2 on Saturday January 22, 2022 @02:51PM (#30040204)
Everyone knew? I mean I can send videos if you'd like of Biden and left-wing politicians saying the vaccine would prevent you from getting it.

Also, prevention of the disease would mean that people are asymptomatic and/or that they aren't getting COVID. Hospitals in many areas are publishing data showing majority of people there for COVID are vaxxed. So much for prevention of the disease.

Re:Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron... by acdha on Saturday January 22, 2022 @02:56PM (#30040252)
> Everyone knew? I mean I can send videos if you'd like of Biden and left-wing politicians saying the vaccine would prevent you from getting it.

If you were paying attention, note the difference between saying it will prevent all retransmission versus reducing it, which is what happened. Also, try to compare what actual medical experts said as opposed to the political entertainers whose talking points you're repeating. The actual medical experts were quite clear on this, and Biden has been pretty clear that breakthrough infections are possible — hence the interest in masks to prevent spread and vaccination to mitigate the damage for the people who we know statistically will catch it.

Re:Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron... by encryptluks2 on Saturday January 22, 2022 @04:31PM (#30041028)
Oh look, you're wrong again:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/22/joe-biden/...

> Biden said Dec. 14 that people vaccinated for COVID-19 "do not spread the disease to anyone else."

Re:Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron... by acdha on Saturday January 22, 2022 @06:15PM (#30041799)
Biden is not a medical expert — as you might note, I tried to get you to focus on what they were saying — and that statement is clearly imprecise, which is why it was rejected by medical experts. He had at other times expressed this concept more accurately as improving the odds so this seems more like overstatement (“anyone” versus “as many”) as part of a broader point which has been quite accurate: getting vaccinated is the best way to end the pandemic.