Open-Sourcing our Firmware

Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by tomtheelder on Friday January 21, 2022 @02:24PM (#30028684)

I suspect majority of users never touch Pg Up/Pg Dn/Home/End and all those other keys over there. For arrow keys, the compacted layout is helpful when designing a space constrained keyboard, and it's totally usable.

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Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by varispeed on Friday January 21, 2022 @03:51PM (#30029825)

Wouldn't that be because these keys are difficult to use in typical laptop keyboard, as in self fulfilling prophecy?

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Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by franga2000 on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:15PM (#30030670)

It probably doesn't help, but it definitely isn't the reason. Most people still do their work on desktops with full-sized keyboards and they already don't use those keys there.

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Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by varispeed on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:38PM (#30030867)

So how they e.g. move around cells in the spreadsheet or documents?

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Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by franga2000 on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:44PM (#30030931)

Mouse. If you're correcting data in a spreadsheet you're probably jumping around a lot and a mouse makes more sense and if you're entering new data most people I've worked with use tab and enter.

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Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by dsego on Friday January 21, 2022 @04:01PM (#30029939)

fn+arrow combo is imho equally as usable

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Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by orthecreedence on Saturday January 22, 2022 @03:42AM (#30034885)

I hate fn+arrow as an alternative to having real home/end/pgup/pgdown keys. It's probably the thing I hate most about my blade laptop.

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Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by dsego on Saturday January 22, 2022 @10:38AM (#30037563)

Why? Do you feel similar about not having a "real" dedicated key to ctrl+c / ctrl+v ?

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Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by orthecreedence on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @06:29PM (#30079639)

Because I came from a laptop that had home/end/pgup/pgdn and grew fully accustomed to those keys for keyboard navigation (which is my bread and butter these days).

The alternative was to get a 15" laptop, which is slightly too big for me, so I suffer in silence and occasionally bitch about it on forums.

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Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by jlokier on Saturday January 22, 2022 @09:09PM (#30042966)

It takes two hands to use Fn+Up/Down instead of PageUp/PageDown keys to scroll around. These keys are for some people the most common keys used for fast nevigation in code and documents.

Ctrl+C / Ctrl+V are used far less often, and you can type them with one hand.

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Re:Open-Sourcing our Firmware by dsego on Sunday January 23, 2022 @09:06AM (#30046208)

> It takes two hands to use Fn+Up/Down instead of PageUp/PageDown keys to scroll around

Doesn't seem like a big deal, I'm trying to think of a situation where I need the other hand to be free while paging or moving to end of the line.

> These keys are for some people the most common keys used for fast nevigation in code and documents.

Seems like a personal preference. I have a working trackpad so I almost never use them. Also, home/end on a thinkpad are out of reach anyway. And what's the point of 'insert' ?

> Ctrl+C / Ctrl+V are used far less often,

I use these constantly, I don't remember touching home/end ever, pg up/dwn maybe by accident.

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