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Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by toomuchtodo on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:10AM (#30009084)
They market the vehicles as being capable of full self driving at some point in the future. They don't market them as being capable of such today. It's in the very copy you cite at the end of your comment.

> Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. (Control-F of this quote gets you there)

EDIT: You must also acknowledge that you remain in control of the vehicle when activating Autopilot within the vehicle: https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/images/autosteer-e...

You're also reminded each and every time you activate Autosteer.

Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by InitialLastName on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:14AM (#30009137)
> It's in the very copy you site at the end of your comment.

Most of the way down a long page, in faint small text in the middle of a blurb. Nothing could possibly scream "we don't want you to read this, but we're required to put it in so that we and our fans can continue to make bad-faith defenses of our marketing program" more.

Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by me_me_me on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:18AM (#30009198)
Hello sir would you like to buy our Car (tm)

on pg 39 of purchase contract its clearly stated its a bicycle for now as we are still developing our Car (tm) to be a car.

Tell me how is that different to calling a driver assist a Autopilot as it aspires to be an autopilot but for now its just a driver assist called Autopilot*.

Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by creckic on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:29AM (#30009321)
Except the purchase page clearly state that autonomous features are not avaiable today, and the car itself constantly reminds you to be in control.

Also, Autopilot on Wikipedia: "An autopilot is a system used to control the path of an aircraft, car, marine craft or spacecraft without requiring constant manual control by a human operator. Autopilots do not replace human operators. Instead, the autopilot assists the operator's control of the vehicle, allowing the operator to focus on broader aspects of operations (for example, monitoring the trajectory, weather and on-board systems)."

Again: "Autopilots do not replace human operators. Instead, the autopilot assists the operator's control of the vehicle"

Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by me_me_me on Thursday January 20, 2022 @10:23AM (#30009982)
Kinda pointless, since you sidestep the whole point.

I am not interested in PR style discussions with technicalities being used as a scapegoat points.

Its entirely unproductive and should be strictly reserved to cable news programs.

If i buy strawberry ice-cream in strawberry ice-cream packaging I dont give a fuck that there is a sign on the back of package saying this is frozen broccoli.

Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by creckic on Sunday January 23, 2022 @03:49PM (#30050297)
But it is exactly what it is sold at. The page where you choose the FSD package makes it 100% clear. There is no confusion about what you get.
Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by eldaisfish on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:16AM (#30009170)
that is then misleading. it's as simple as that. Tesla should be fined for this and i'm really surprised they haven't already been.

Hiding behind legalese and specific wording is the textbook definition of misleading.

How would you feel if i sold you an "apple peeler" and made you sign a legal agreement where i stated that the "apple peeler" was not capable of peeling apples today but at some indeterminate point in the future? Is that not misleading?

Why are you arguing semantics for a scummy corporate?

Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by melenaboija on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:16AM (#30009171)
Then maybe change the name Autopilot to something else. Cars are not publicized with Autobrake systems that you have to press the pedal to stop. That would be confusing.
Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by creckic on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:26AM (#30009290)
No, the name is accurate.

Wikipedia: "An autopilot is a system used to control the path of an aircraft, car, marine craft or spacecraft without requiring constant manual control by a human operator. Autopilots do not replace human operators. Instead, the autopilot assists the operator's control of the vehicle, allowing the operator to focus on broader aspects of operations (for example, monitoring the trajectory, weather and on-board systems)."

Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by melenaboija on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:40AM (#30009448)
Well the etymology is clear too. Which I would say is the intuition some people could be using. Not sure people visit Wikipedia to learn about levels of auto piloting.

Automatic: From Greek automatos, ‘acting of itself’

Pilot: early 16th century (denoting a person who steers a ship): from French pilote, from medieval Latin pilotus, an alteration of pedota, based on Greek pēdon ‘oar’, (plural) ‘rudder

Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by _aavaa_ on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:16AM (#30009169)
Again, same thing. That's not there for customers, that's there so they can tell regulators "Look! See. We told them to be careful."
Re:A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver gui... by creckic on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:27AM (#30009296)
It clearly states what it is when you actually purchase the vehicle, and also constantly reminds you while driving.