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Re:Is old music killing new music? by cousin_it on Thursday January 20, 2022 @06:19AM (#30007462)
Compared to a good 80s track like Jump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYN7mTi6HM all songs you listed sound limp, fake and barely even alive. Maybe it's a matter of taste, but come on, tell me I'm wrong.
Re:Is old music killing new music? by Apocryphon on Thursday January 20, 2022 @01:45PM (#30012878)
You are wrong, in that a lot of those tracks listed have completely different tempos and genres from the song you're comparing. So then you're favoring '80s rock, specifically glam metal, over modern pop. You're not wrong in preferring one over the other, but there's no objective comparison to be made when the songs are playing at completely different speeds with very different styles.

Funnily enough, there is an '80s revival going on with some modern pop right now, but again then you would have to compare the original '80s new wave, synth-pop music to it and not '80s rock.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-52109397

As far as why there isn't as many modern rock top hits to compare to '80s ones... well, this decade didn't kill rock. That's a historical phenomenon that dates back to the 2000s or so.

Re:Is old music killing new music? by digisign on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:20PM (#30051685)
Jump was primarily an incredible pop hit, with just a sprinkling of rock as seasoning. I'd say it crushes all those alternatives, with the exception of the Adele tune which was lovely, but agree it is hard to compare those specific two. Just too different.
Re:Is old music killing new music? by Apocryphon on Sunday January 23, 2022 @09:54PM (#30053177)
That doesn't rebut my point at all! "Jump" has a completely different sound despite the synth, it's got far heavier rock instruments than everything else. You're comparing apples to doorknobs here.

Should have picked something more synthy like "I Ran" A Flock of Seagulls or A-Ha. Those are at least similar, and worth conceding their superiority to. But even that's still incomplete. The Ed Sheeran song has certain R&B beats and a sound that wasn't really present until like the late '90s imo. The Glass Animals song is even more R&B and is literally about loss and longing, so would be flattened by any song that's upbeat, completely incongruous from "Jump". Not too dissimilar, "Stay" is a mopey teenage relationship song, and thus would have a certain angsty lower energy.

So, not even the wrong genres, but wrong emotional beats entirely.

Re:Is old music killing new music? by digisign on Sunday January 23, 2022 @10:23PM (#30053374)
These details aren't particularly relevant in a bouncy pop song.
Re:Is old music killing new music? by Apocryphon on Sunday January 23, 2022 @10:33PM (#30053427)
Not all pop is created equal. If you want a substantiative discussion about music, you need to go beyond facile comparisons. Genres are immense and myriad, especially in the modern day. Just because pop means popular doesn't mean it's within the genre of pop- most of the aforementioned songs are closer to moody R&B!

There are probably better, higher-energy, modern songs to compare with "Jump." Here are #19 and #20 in the current top 40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVaG6adE2mA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oq4heYOdQ0 (an actual rock band, from Italy)

But again, because rock has ceased to be the influential force it used to be, comparisons are going to be very imprecise. And Top 40 itself is a snapshot, not necessarily the best an era has to offer. For reference, here are some pop songs in the past couple years that have been bigger hits both in terms of the charts and the critics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRXx6U8ABQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUVcZfQe-Kw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adLGHcj_fmA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNi_6U5Pm_o

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Re:Is old music killing new music? by Apocryphon on Sunday January 23, 2022 @10:52PM (#30053544)
If you wish to dissent without substantiation, that is your perogative. However, if you wish to substantively compare eras of music, it behooves you to actually examine the music involved. If not, you cede the argument entirely.

It's most ironic that this discussion began with you touting "Jump", yet your reluctance to continue the discussion betrays the spirit of the song: "You've got to roll / With the punches to get to what's real." Eddie would be most disappointed.

Re:Is old music killing new music? by UncleMeat on Thursday January 20, 2022 @08:36PM (#30018059)
You are wrong. Heck, even Jump was criticized to hell and back for being synth garbage instead of the shred metal that Van Halen was known for prior to that song.

There has never been a time in history when more great music was being created and made accessible to the masses than today. And I say that as a crotchety jazz nerd.

Re:Is old music killing new music? by digisign on Sunday January 23, 2022 @06:05PM (#30051546)
VH was never metal, they started before it with hard-blues reminiscent of Led Zeppelin with a party posture, then added piano chords and pop sensibility via synth. They were only in the neighborhood due to EVH imitators.
Re:Is old music killing new music? by Apocryphon on Sunday January 23, 2022 @09:59PM (#30053210)
There's nothing bluesy about "Right Now."
Re:Is old music killing new music? by digisign on Sunday January 23, 2022 @10:24PM (#30053376)
So what? It certainly isn't metal either.
Re:Is old music killing new music? by Apocryphon on Sunday January 23, 2022 @10:38PM (#30053445)
But it does shred.