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Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by demallien on Thursday September 15, 2011 @10:36AM (#3000502)
Non-competes are incredibly unfair on workers. Companies already have a way of stopping their trade secrets from walking out the door - make the employee's life better than what they would have working for the competitor.

Instead of that, what do we see? Employers that grudgingly give tiny pay rises to loyal employees that are essential cogs to their operations. I can't feel terribly sorry for the company when the employee decides that their career would be better served working for the competitor.

Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by epoxyhockey on Thursday September 15, 2011 @10:48AM (#3000567)
Another way companies can stop their trade secrets from walking out the door is a confidentiality agreement. I tell all of my prospective employers that I don't sign non-competes, but I will sign a confidentiality agreement.

A non-compete is professional suicide, in my opinion. There is no upside to the employee at all.

Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by dhimes on Thursday September 15, 2011 @11:10AM (#3000649)
A non-compete should be accompanied by a commensurate severance package in order to be taken seriously by a prospective employee.
Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by nvarsj on Thursday September 15, 2011 @11:17AM (#3000679)
Agreed. In the finance industry this is the norm in my experience - 100% salary for duration of the non-compete and a severance package.
Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by mattm on Thursday September 15, 2011 @06:39PM (#3002409)
Also agreed. If an employer is hindering you from working for X amount of time, they should be paying you for that time.
Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by jamesbkel on Thursday September 15, 2011 @06:13PM (#3002343)
Completely agree. I was in a very similar to the woman in the article. I started at a Boston Medical/Life-science research LLC as a statistical programmer. The intention was to bring me on as the head of stats/quant work since they had been farming it for the past few years. After 2 months they decided they didn't actually have enough work to justify paying me (can't blame them for that, it reached a point where I literally was walking up to fellow employees asking if there was anything I could do to pitch in since I had NOTHING to do and I also don't consider "killing time on facebook/youtube etc." acceptable when I'm on their dollar).

Point being, I did not sign their boilerplate non-compete. They were actually fine with that as long I signed a confidentiality agreement... and that's only fair.

Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by damorip on Thursday September 15, 2011 @12:20PM (#3000930)
Don't like it, don't sign it.

Was she under duress when signing? Nothing in the article suggests she was. She signed the contract voluntarily and should stand by her decision. If she was too lazy to do her due diligance before signing, that's her fault too.

Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by unshift on Thursday September 15, 2011 @12:32PM (#3000984)
it's very common for people to be as compliant as possible during the hiring process so as not to jeopardize the job, especially their first job out of school.

that tends to be the result of years of people saying "you're lucky to get a job at all" combined with a long search and endless interviews.

and while yes, she did sign the non compete, it doesn't mean it's not bullshit, which is the entire point of the article. of course you can be a hardass and say "she signed it", "should have read it more carefully", "her fault", etc, but now she's on the dole until the clause expires because someone had a hissy fit and threatened to sue her employer. it's a crappy, stifling situation all around which is what the article aimed to point out.

Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by WingForward on Thursday September 15, 2011 @01:01PM (#3001109)
No, she's on the dole by choice. She was 25 years old, making $60K a year and quit for another job. Then she chose to quit that job too.
Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by vermontdevil on Thursday September 15, 2011 @01:29PM (#3001214)
She signed the non-compete agreement in 2007 when she was 22 or so. Life is not exactly black and white as you try to portray these things to be.
Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by fr0sty on Thursday September 15, 2011 @01:23PM (#3001192)
> Just before July 4th, Angela, a 26 year-old Boston University alumna, was laid off from her job as a software trainer.

She was fired after her previous employer threatened legal action. You can't say she "chose to quit" that job.

Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by WingForward on Thursday September 15, 2011 @01:40PM (#3001261)
"Angela worked at Bullhorn for about three years. She left the company on her own terms in October 2010 to work as a software trainer at a Boston-area hospital, but after seven months decided "it wasn't what I wanted to do." So she took a job as a business analyst with another company that sells software to recruiters."

She chose to quit two jobs before running into trouble at her third.

And "sic" is used to imply that the original quote was grammatically incorrect. Your usage implies I misused the word "chose" when you should have rephrased your sentence to make the tense correct.

Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by fr0sty on Thursday September 15, 2011 @01:49PM (#3001296)
Whether she had zero, one or several jobs in between is immaterial. Bringing it up borders on ad hominem

Also, Fixed the tense on the previous comment, sorry.

Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by WingForward on Thursday September 15, 2011 @02:33PM (#3001500)
If it was immaterial, why quibble with me on the facts?

It's not though. The whole article presents her as unemployed because of the NCA. That's inaccurate. She can and did work in her field.

Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by danssig on Friday September 16, 2011 @03:29AM (#3003513)
But she did lose a valid employment opportunity because of it. That needs to stop.
Re:How non-competes are damaging the Massachusetts economy: ... by mikeash on Thursday September 15, 2011 @03:46PM (#3001826)
Depends. Does graduating in the worst economic client in decades and being lucky enough to find a job that will put food on the table but having that job be conditional on signing the agreement count as "duress"?