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Re:1Password Has Raised $620M by Dylan16807 on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @09:20PM (#30003561)
> Every piece of software needs its own plan for continued development.

It does. But if we're talking about just the software, I don't think updates to an already-finished password manager are worth nearly that much.

Microsoft used to sell upgrades for their entire OS for $3 a month, released once every 3 years.

Re:1Password Has Raised $620M by BoorishBears on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @09:31PM (#30003652)
> already-finished password manager

No such thing.

If it was finished they'd close their doors and find a new way to make a living.

> Microsoft used to sell upgrades for their entire OS for $3 a month, released once every 3 years.

Great way to make my point. MS tried taking just 3 dollars a month for an entire OS, but because they were asking for money upfront they had to turn to a mixture advertising Candy Crush in the start menu and privacy abuse.

Re:1Password Has Raised $620M by jasonfarnon on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:56PM (#30004378)
> If it was finished they'd close their doors and find a new way to make a living.

Well that's the big question with these services isn't it? Are they keeping their doors open because they have more value to provide? Or is this just a ruse to keep their doors open without any further value to provide?

Re:1Password Has Raised $620M by BoorishBears on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @11:36PM (#30004708)
If that's been the question this whole time, the answer is no, this is not just a ruse.

https://app-updates.agilebits.com/product_history/OPM7

They provide a reliable service that's never let me down when I needed it, have security updates and bug fixes, provide great support, track OS and hardware updates... not much more they need to do to justify existing.

Re:1Password Has Raised $620M by Dylan16807 on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:08PM (#30003982)
> If it was finished they'd close their doors and find a new way to make a living.

Feature-complete, then. It needs updates but it doesn't need significant development work.

> Great way to make my point. MS tried taking just 3 dollars a month for an entire OS, but because they were asking for money upfront they had to turn to a mixture advertising Candy Crush in the start menu and privacy abuse.

They make most of their money off new computers at an even lower price. Adding candy crush and more tracking came after they switched to making upgrades free, and I really doubt it's worth $100 a seat.

They made home windows into a loss-leader. If there was a choice to pay to remove those things I bet they'd make somewhat more money. But it's not where their big revenue streams are so they don't care.

Re:1Password Has Raised $620M by BoorishBears on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @11:51PM (#30004818)
Again, software development companies have tried the "rely on people being willing to pay upfront for updates" and failed repeatedly

Once you get there it doesn't matter if your goal was features or updates, you're talking about closing doors and laying people off.

So I'd much rather 1password do exactly what they did and pivot off a failing model.

> They made home windows into a loss-leader.

That's great, and I'm sure when 1Password has a 100B war chest to sit on they'll think about doing the same.

Most people would consider turning your flagship into a loss-leader for other parts of the company not exactly the goal of the average software shop.

Re:1Password Has Raised $620M by Dylan16807 on Thursday January 20, 2022 @12:56AM (#30005275)
Retail home sales hadn't been a major revenue stream for microsoft in decades, if ever.

Windows is not a loss-leader. It makes them lots of money. They just threw away a single sales channel.

> pivot off a failing model

Microsoft hasn't pivoted off upfront sales for Windows.

Re:1Password Has Raised $620M by BoorishBears on Thursday January 20, 2022 @01:15AM (#30005416)
So now we've gone from talking about 1Password to you correcting your own points about a diversion you brought up.

I just now realized you're the same person from the other thread and it all makes sense now, this was never about 1Password for you. My mistake taking the bait.

And of course, I vehemently agree with anything you say about 1Password, or Windows.

Re:1Password Has Raised $620M by Dylan16807 on Thursday January 20, 2022 @01:51AM (#30005634)
It's not a diversion to say that a password manager shouldn't cost as much as an operating system.

And if you don't like corrections then don't nitpick so much.