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Re:Google is wrong. Apple’s iMessage is a failure by buttocks on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @09:13PM (#30003500)
Mobile technology evolved very quickly but XMPP did not. I remember using Pidgin to chat on Google Talk. Then Google decided (rightly) that more secure auth was needed, and implemented an XEP to add OIDC authentication. Now third-party clients had to decide whether they wanted to implement Google's auth, or not. Ultimately it is easier to control the protocol and the app--and along with those, the tracking, the display of ads, the feature set, and so on.
Re:Google is wrong. Apple’s iMessage is a failure by mavhc on Thursday January 20, 2022 @05:13AM (#30006983)
That's the fundamental problem, non standard products can iterate way faster than standards based products.

Look at all the new features email has!

Of course as we're on HN we obviously hate anything but plain text, but that's not true of most people

Re:Google is wrong. Apple’s iMessage is a failure by ryandrake on Thursday January 20, 2022 @09:55AM (#30009624)
I mean, does E-mail need new features? I’d argue that it is successful and ubiquitous because it doesn’t change and have a half dozen companies breaking compatibility by trying to out-feature each other. Th Internet could use more applications like E-mail and fewer like the chat mess we have.

Chat should be the deadest-simplest protocol/app on the planet. It’s sending text… That’s pretty much the first thing a developer learns how to do when they learn network programming. We should be able to send text from one computer to another in a way that is compatible no matter what company’s client you use. Yet nothing has managed to gain traction.

Re:Google is wrong. Apple’s iMessage is a failure by mavhc on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:56AM (#30021870)
Well, it got html and rtf and attachments bodged into it, and never got encryption working.

And it's plagued with spam and attacks and fakes.

Chat is sending text, and files, and encryption, and now doing all that to groups of people, which means you need group managers and permissions, and authentication of those users. Might as well add video and audio calls now you have an address book, as phone companies can't do that properly it seems