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Re:Are We Really Engineers? (2021) by epolanski on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:07PM (#30002361)
> To me the term didn't come from HR it came from trying to get "programmers" to think in terms of constraints, value, risks etc. Seems a pretty clear and simple definition.

The trend of giving high sounding titles started decades ago as more and more educated people entered the workforce and involves all jobs.

Manager? Vice president.

Secretary? Executive assistant.

Developer? Engineer.

Reports and collects some data for his bosses? Data analyst.

Warehouse worker? Logistics and distribution specialist.

Re:Are We Really Engineers? (2021) by vineyardmike on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @08:31PM (#30003096)
Not to nitpick your point too much, but VP tends to have a specific meaning, even if its given to many employees. Usually, it means that this employee can sign contracts or make certain regulatory commitments on behalf of the company. Its not always self-aggrandizing.
Re:Are We Really Engineers? (2021) by Godel_unicode on Thursday January 20, 2022 @01:13AM (#30005398)
It absolutely does not usually mean that, there are a ton of finance VPs that nobody would ever let sign anything meaningful without someone up the chain reviewing it. There are also tons of people who sign contracts for companies who are not VPs. There are companies where VP is really just about comp; all jobs above $x/year are some flavor of VP, even ICs.

It doesn't have to always be self-aggrandizing for it to be true that lots of people are now called VP who used to just be middle-managers.

Re:Are We Really Engineers? (2021) by bumby on Saturday January 22, 2022 @11:36AM (#30038139)
There's a joke in finance that VP is an entry-level job. Largely because that field is very status-driven and people want a glorified title, despite entry-level responsibilities.
Re:Are We Really Engineers? (2021) by dogmatism on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @10:37PM (#30004226)
In medicine doctors are now “providers” no different than nurse practitioners, physician assistants, RN, PT, pharmacists etc. it’s the opposite, leveling everyone to the lowest common denominator
Re:Are We Really Engineers? (2021) by soco on Thursday January 20, 2022 @06:18AM (#30007459)
In some countries some profession names are reserved. There you know that a doctor is a doctor, not a guy who went to a hygiene bootcamp.