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Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by cletus on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:18PM (#29996580)
I'm all for providing a social safety net in exactly the way the US doesn't. Housing (aka shelter) is a key part of that but the way the US does this is completely backwards.

The government saying you can't evict someone is basically telling people they don't have to pay rent anymore regardless of need. Rent control is the same way: you can't raise the rent regardless of need. So these programs don't really help people in need: they help market incumbents.

This is the government foisting welfare onto the private sector rather than doing it properly.

If the government didn't want people evicted due to pandemic circumstances, what they should do is assess this on a case-by-case basis and pay the rent for people in genuine need.

The Internet is full of stories of people who just stopped paying rent because they didn't have to anymore as well as taking government checks intended for the landlord and just cashing them, which is a whole other issue.

But some people justify this because, you know, "f*ck landlords", which always struck me as incredibly backward: the only reason there exist apartments and houses to rent is because someone has provided the capital to build them and rent them to you.

Now you can argue maybe the government should do that. I can respect that.

But no rentals at all? So the only way to have somewhere to live is to buy a house? Really? How is that practical and not a recipe for massive homelessness?

As an aside, we do need to do something about hedge funds running around and buying up all the property, only building ultra-luxury property and the ultra-wealthy just parking money in real estate but none of those issues invalidates the need for a rental market to exist.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by 3pt14159 on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:30PM (#29996789)
This is a good comment. What I would add is that the system feels hopeless for a lot of people right now. The things that used to be possible for people not wanting to rent aren't an option any more. I know someone who literally lived in a hole in the ground as he slowly built his home around it. Every now and then a couple of his friends from church would come by and help him with this or that and it slowly came together.

He's retired now. Built a small time, local only 1-800-GOT-JUNK style business. He's a millionaire now. I'd be surprised if he'd finished high school.

At least where I live, you can't really do that these days. Property is way too expensive and well-meaning building codes make basic things essentially out of reach. I'm not talking about things like circuit breakers or child-safing banisters and railings, I'm talking about the long tail of regulations that don't really help anyone.

The rich and the poor keep getting more and more disconnected and I understand the raw rage coming from the other end of the income spectrum. We need to help them.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by nomel on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:57PM (#29997313)
> I'm not talking about things like circuit breakers or child-safing banisters and railings

For example, in California, all new homes must have solar power, with the requirement that [1]:

> The solar panel system needs to be large enough to meet the annual electricity usage of the building

> builders can decrease the size requirement of a system on a property by incorporating battery storage ... <and> ... by incorporating energy efficiency measures or other demand-responsive measures

1. https://news.energysage.com/an-overview-of-the-california-so...

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by dehrmann on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:38PM (#29996947)
> This is the government foisting welfare onto the private sector rather than doing it properly.

This is the key point. It's the same with rent control. It's governments dodging its responsibilities, then pushing the costs to the private sector unevenly. If you really want these programs, send the people subsidy checks. It's more fair to renters, it's more transparent, and it makes it easier to track the true cost. Don't want to send out those checks? Maybe you shouldn't volunteer landlords to subsidize your social program.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by abletonlive on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:31PM (#29996796)
> But no rentals at all? So the only way to have somewhere to live is to buy a house? Really? How is that practical and not a recipe for massive homelessness? As an aside, we do need to do something about hedge funds running around and buying up all the property, only building ultra-luxury property and the ultra-wealthy just parking money in real estate but none of those issues invalidates the need for a rental market to exist.

I suggest a ban on all SFH rentals. The reason why it seems unviable to have everybody buy a home is because there is so much demand created from people owning multiple homes and bidding up prices in the name of making a profit. If we eliminate at least SFH rentals it becomes much more viable. There are at least 16 million SFH rentals and that number is just growing.

This would solve two problems at once: reduce sprawl by encouraging the building of non-SFH for profit seekers, and reduce demand for SFH which is currently being driven up by profit seekers.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by Cd00d on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:27PM (#29997821)
What is SFH? Google says some kind of supplement, but I'm guessing your 'H' refers to 'housing'.
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by ModernMech on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:35PM (#29997975)
Single Family Home
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by Steltek on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:29PM (#29996759)
Don't forget government outlawing denser housing, promoting expensive single family sprawl which then requires a car (amortized TCO $10k a year) and requisite local taxes to cover the inefficient infrastructure.

"Drive until you can buy" then drive some more. Enjoy the wear and tear on your mandatory vehicle.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by indigochill on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:42PM (#29997018)
> what they should do is assess this on a case-by-case basis and pay the rent for people in genuine need.

I theorize this is infeasible in the US at the national level because there are probably regions in the US with insufficient manpower to do this manual review (though someone might correct me on this). It's easier to throw money at the problem by giving money to those who don't need it than it is to hire and maintain headcount.

I suspect this because this is far from a new problem. People have long abused welfare in the US who don't actually need it because the review process is incredibly lax (which in turn perpetuates the idea among the American right that government welfare is a waste of resources).

Though aside, I'm always wary of believing stories I read on the internet that paint the political situation in a certain light even if they're allegedly from individuals. But I've personally known people in real life who bragged about abusing welfare before, so I know that's a thing (though I don't recommend you take my word for it).

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by cletus on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:58PM (#29997333)
I don't believe it's infeasible because we already do it to a large degree.

At the Federal level there is a Section 8 housing.

At the state level there are various rent assistance programs.

Most people are also W2 employees so their income is tied to their SSN so a lot of this can be automated by simply looking at your actual monthly income.

The fact that you'd need to apply for this would also discourage some people from abusing the system.

Lastly, I don't really care if the system isn't perfect and some people get assistance they don't need. It doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be "good enough". At an ethical level, I'd rather give people the benefit of the doubt and not make them homeless than worry about them abusing welfare some of the time.

> People have long abused welfare in the US who don't actually need it

I'm always skeptical of claims like this because they're used as a political tool to attack poor people for being poor. OMB's estimate [1] put this at "5.6 to 7.2%". In a country that spends a trillion dollars a year on the military, that's a literal rounding error that I don't care about at all.

[1]: https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/briefing-room/2021/12/30/upda....

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by II2II on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:41PM (#29997001)
> If the government didn't want people evicted due to pandemic circumstances, what they should do is assess this on a case-by-case basis and pay the rent for people in genuine need.

The question is, did the government have the manpower to do a case-by-case assessment. One of the issues faced in Canada was getting employment insurance money out to people in a timely manner. Their approach was very much loosen the criteria and take claims at near face value until they had time to sort things out. Fortunately, the government can sort-of do that in that scenario. Unfortunately for evictions, things have to be sorted out before a person ends up homeless.

As for "f*ck landlords", I never quite understood it. Then again, I've always dealt with small landlords and usually had some form of reference for them before signing the lease.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by alistairSH on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @03:17PM (#29999384)
No, the US didn't have the manpower for manual review. Further complicated by our federal system, with most social programs run at the state level. Even more complicated by a decades long effort by conservatives to make state/local programs difficult to use because everybody should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

The closest we could come was the stimulus checks that went to anybody with a prior-year's income below a certain threshold (IRS has that info).

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by alxjrvs on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:27PM (#29996735)
Typically, eliminating the concept of "landlord" would come hand-in-hand with eliminating the idea of real estate being privately "owned".

None of these ideas are particularly popular amongst land-owners.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by mywittyname on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:16PM (#29997661)
> None of these ideas are particularly popular amongst land-owners.

Or non-landowners. Turns out, the state isn't particularly interested in constructing nice housing, or doing so in adequate numbers. So people end up living in communal spaces while sitting on a decade-long waitlist for something to open up.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by blululu on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:47PM (#29998144)
Hyper-capitalist Singapore provides public housing to about 80% of citizens. It’s a pretty functional system. You can have landlords and private land owners but they need to provide more value than a default. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by rhacker on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:35PM (#29996881)
If rentals were illegal the price of buying a 1300 sq. foot home might have been 100k instead of 700k. So I stand by my belief that it's - oh there's already a name for it - rent seeking.
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by horsawlarway on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:52PM (#29997223)
I'm not finding this argument particularly compelling.

I definitely understand that rentals can be profit seeking tools that are harmful (ex: slum lords) - but I don't think removing the ability to rent actually solves that problem.

If you can't rent - there are wide swathes of my city that just wouldn't be developed at all. It would remain the private estate of the family that owned it. Instead those plots are sold or developed into apartments/condos/townhomes.

Basically - land is a revenue generating asset. If rent is illegal, folks will use it for the next best revenue they can make. They won't just suddenly dump it on the market for sale.

Further - renting can be a valuable tool. I moved very often right out of school seeking to live as close as possible to my current job. That was insanely helpful to me, and not something that would be financially feasible if I had to purchase and re-sell for each (near-yearly) move - even if the house I was buying only cost 100k, and not 500k.

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Basically - I understand the sentiment, but I think this argument glosses over far too many likely consequences of removing the ability to rent (ex - I promise you you'll just end up with a lot of company towns where "Room & board" is free, but only if you work the company job.)

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by bluGill on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:48PM (#29997130)
Which forces people to buy those even if it isn't right for them. I've rented a place for 6 months before, both me and the landlord knew it was a 6 month lease and I'd be gone. It was perfect for those 6 months, I'm not sure if i'd have been able to sell after that. I wouldn't want to tie up 100k for 6 months.
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by mywittyname on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:10PM (#29997561)
What makes you believe this? If rentals were illegal, then there would be an entire cottage industry spring up around creative ways to lend people money who can't necessarily afford it. Which seems like a way to drive up purchase prices.

Plus, in the most unaffordable places in the world, rental prices are dirt cheap compared to purchase prices. In a lot of these places, rental income is so inconsequential, that places sit empty because owners don't want to deal with renters, since most of their return comes from appreciation. Which suggests that rental prices are completely detached from purchase prices.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by thegrimmest on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:43PM (#29997037)
That still leaves an enormous quantity of people who don't have 100k just laying around, and are not reliable enough to be loaned the sum.
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by notch656a on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:48PM (#29997133)
Someone who can't be trusted with 100k shouldn't be entrusted to inhabit a house worth 700k. One careless action can easily cause 100k worth of damage to a house. It's probably easier to keep 100k safe than it is to keep at least 600k of value of a 700k house safe.
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by rhacker on Friday January 21, 2022 @05:15AM (#30021548)
I don't know where these numbers came from. There is NO 700k house in my imaginary scenario. In fact the entire cost to BUILD this house is 100k, so the only way for damage to reach 100k would be for the house to literally burn down - which is covered by insurance. The most you would expect "junking up" a house that costs 100k would probably be about 10 - 20k of damage - depending on the finishes. This whole thread spawned from this comment makes no sense. And again, since this world has no renting, these people want to TAKE CARE of their house, not ruin it. Even if these people decide to "junk it up" on purpose because they are about to default - again burning causes insurance payout to the bank and other than that it's just up to 20k. The other goal here though is that because it's 100k there's a much higher chance that this person can work a normal / non coding job and make ends meet and live in this 100k house just fine with little chance of defaulting.
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by thegrimmest on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:51PM (#29997200)
Ehm, I'm not sure how that makes any sense at all. Someone who can't be trusted to repay 100k can certainly be trusted to inhabit a (insured) house worth 700k without setting it on fire. Landlords do exactly this all the time. Also, it's not about keeping the money safe, but about generating a return.
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by notch656a on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:54PM (#29997248)
Well if we're talking about loaning 100k for the house, you can always execute your lien holder privileges to take back the house if they don't pay. Mortgage insurance providers a like service to the mortgage provider to minimize losses.

I'd much rather be in position backing mortgage on 100k house, backed by mortgage insurance, than risking someone I don't trust with that same 100k having full custody of my house worth 700k.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by thegrimmest on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:40PM (#29998045)
Your premise still doesn't make any sense. There are far more people who can be trusted not to cause massive property damage to their own homes (which they will then be liable for) than can be trusted to proactively work to repay a mortgage. It's a lot easier not to destroy value than to create it.

Mind you, many people do cause significant damage to the spaces they rent. This being among the most frequent complaints by landlords.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by notch656a on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:02PM (#30000925)
You have to _proactively_ work to pay rent. Someone financially struggling does not have an easier time paying rent on a 700k home than mortgage on a 100k home, that doesn't even make sense to make an argument on the proactive payment difference. Merely not paying rent is a damage to a landlord who still has to maintain a property that the unpaying renter enjoys, so we can't argue that merely not damaging the home avoids damaging the landlord.

At equal level of negligence risk (which for most people, yes, is quite low), the monetary expected loss through negligence or crime on 700k home should be greater than that on 100k home, all else equal (same person, location, etc).

And all of this fails to account for the greater personal incentive one has to pay for their own house and take care of their own house than for someone else's they're just renting.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by thegrimmest on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:23PM (#30001212)
Just because the tenant doesn't pay rent, it doesn't meant he landlord doesn't have to pay his mortgage. Mortgages aren't given to people who don't have the capital reserves to withstand loss of rental income. The main differentiating factor between a landlord and a tenant is risk of default. If you are appraised to have a risk low enough for a bank to tolerate, you get a mortgage. If not, you don't. What's wrong with this process?

If you don't pay rent you are (supposed to be) evicted in short order and replaced with someone who does pay rent, specifically to avoid damaging the landlord as you describe.

> the monetary expected loss through negligence or crime on 700k home should be greater than that on 100k home

But that's not what we're talking about. The risk of significant damage through negligence by a tenant on a 700k home is much lower than the risk that same tenant would default on a 100k mortgage. That's the whole point.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by notch656a on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @05:41PM (#30001480)
>Just because the tenant doesn't pay rent, it doesn't meant he landlord doesn't have to pay his mortgage

Precisely! Not paying rent is a damage to the landlord. You're destroying value. So we can't say you aren't damaging anything if you just don't damage the house.

>The main differentiating factor between a landlord and a tenant is risk of default. If you are appraised to have a risk low enough for a bank to tolerate, you get a mortgage. If not, you don't. What's wrong with this process?

Nothing. I'm pointing out how idiotic it is for someone to be trusted with a 700k house who can't be trusted with 100k mortgage.

>But that's not what we're talking about. The risk of significant damage through negligence by a tenant on a 700k home is much lower than the risk that same tenant would default on a 100k mortgage. That's the whole point.

That's not the entire calculus. The risk to the landlord is that the tenant won't pay or that the tenant will destroy the house. The difference is a land owner has even less incentive to destroy their own house and even less incentive to fail to pay up his/her own mortgage. The risk to the bank is that both you won't pay AND after they seize the property they can't recoup all the damages of non-repayment / lost interest and the principle. This is even more magnified when comparing a 700k rental property to a 100k mortgage. You can't just compare risk of damage to rental house to risk of default.

Having collateral is a much more enviable position IMO and the fact that someone who owns a house has a real interest in protecting it just doubles down on this tipping of the balance to preferring to be a mortgage provider over a landlord in dealing with potential tenant/mortgagee of equal risk.

>The risk of significant damage through negligence by a tenant on a 700k home is much lower than the risk that same tenant would default on a 100k mortgage. That's the whole point.

How much damage does the bank really have on someone who holds mortgage on 100k house, defaults, and then the bank takes the house and flips it for now even more money? It can't be that much more than the landlord who rather than having something to seize just outright loses the rent on a 700k house and now can't pay their own mortgage. I'd much rather be in the bank's position here.

If you can make rent on a 700k house, you can make mortgage on a 100k home. If you don't pay, the home will be taken away (and probably sold for more than you bought it for in this economy), while if you don't pay rent the landlord is out mortgage payments with quite possibly no asset he can seize from you.

This all goes back to my point. "Someone who can't be trusted with 100k [sic: mortgage] shouldn't be entrusted to inhabit a house worth 700k."

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by thegrimmest on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @09:52PM (#30003852)
> I'm pointing out how idiotic it is for someone to be trusted with a 700k house who can't be trusted with 100k mortgage.

But this happens all the time when people rent anything. You can rent a Lambo, doesn't mean you can afford to buy one. Trusting someone not to destroy something while the use it isn't the same as trusting them to pay you the full value of it upfront.

Otherwise it seems like you're suggesting there's a missed opportunity to grant mortgages to financially unstable people. Isn't that what caused the 2008 financial crisis?

> Someone who can't be trusted with 100k [sic: mortgage] shouldn't be entrusted to inhabit a house worth 700k.

But they are and it works just fine.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by notch656a on Thursday January 20, 2022 @11:04AM (#30010630)
I'd argue the biggest cause of the MBS was lack of understanding of risk on the part of those buying the securities, not the risk itself. Markets can tolerate risk when it is priced in appropriately.

>Trusting someone not to destroy something while the use it isn't the same as trusting them to pay you the full value of it upfront.

You don't trust them to pay you. If you did, the house wouldn't have a lien on it. You may mostly kind of trust they won't burn it down or destroy it, so you might trust you'll say get 80% of your money back and thus require a 20% down payment or something.

>But they are and it works just fine.

If the market can find a way to price in risk for someone renting a 700k house which entails them usually paying at least interest on the value of house + property tax + maintenance (this is all indirect payment, but basically what a landlord needs to charge to at least break even), the market can find a way to price in risk for that same person buying a 100k house.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:59PM (#29997365)
> Mortgage insurance providers a like service to the mortgage provider to minimize losses

If real estate becomes a non-cash producing “asset,” mortgage insurance would become far pricier.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by notch656a on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:05PM (#29997480)
While we're playing the what if game, if any and every untrustworthy character were given custody of 700k house, home owner insurance would also become far pricier.
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by nomel on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:48PM (#29997140)
Are there any studies that support this claim? A 7x reduction in housing cost seems pretty crazy to me, especially in some of the land locked cities that I've lived in.
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by arberx on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:27PM (#29996733)
> what they should do is assess this on a case-by-case basis and pay the rent for people in genuine need.

Nothing is ever this efficent at scale. The point of the program was to stop people (and families) from going homeless during a health and economic crisis. The easiest and arguably best solution is a blanket ban.

This is similar to the PPP program. No one checked the credibility of businesses applications until after the money was sent out (the emergency warrants this).

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by spaetzleesser on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:26PM (#29996704)
“As an aside, we do need to do something about hedge funds running around and buying up all the property, only building ultra-luxury property and the ultra-wealthy just parking money in real estate”

As usual this probably won’t get addressed because most lawmakers are part of the groups that benefit from this state.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by japhyr on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:26PM (#29996699)
There are certainly some people saying "f landlords" with little justification. But there are also a good number of people saying that because they have lived in run-down housing that's detrimental to their health. Slumlords are a thing. I live in a small town right now, and there are absentee landlords here; I lived in a big city and absentee landlords are everywhere. For all the people who have paid rent in a home where the water doesn't work, the heat doesn't work, the insulation is failed or absent, mold is unabated... "f landlords" is a pretty appropriate response.

There's no easy solution when we've built up such a strong culture of individualism, that's effectively focused on avoiding collective responsibility for individuals who are struggling.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by s1artibartfast on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:36PM (#29996914)
Sounds like a great example of binary thinking leading people to erroneous conclusions.

There are simple solutions to slumlords: reporting them and enforcing the habitability laws that are already on the books.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by jackson1442 on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:37PM (#29996925)
the biggest problem in renting right now is the lack of tenant protections in many states. my landlord likes jerking me around and adding nonsense fees that (at my hourly rate) would literally be more cost effective to just pay instead of fighting with them.

granted, this is a college landlord that is just taking advantage of college students, but I should have more recourse than “sue them eventually” when my landlord charges me a $90 late fee on my $0 balance that requires 6 office visits to resolve.

the other problem with landlords is that they aren’t spending capital to build. they’re spending capital to buy. corporate landlords (say 25+ units) should not be allowed to buy existing single family dwellings imo.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by herlitzj on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:30PM (#29996791)
> assess this on a case-by-case basis and pay the rent for people in genuine need

I'm not sure you've fully thought through how complex this would be. There are 40 million rental households in the US. Even if only 1% (400,000) decided to be a part of this program and you could close every case in 1 hour (which is probably wildly low) that's 45 man-years of effort.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:38PM (#29996948)
So, to run with your for-instance, if we wanted to do all of that in a month, then we'd have to put 45 x 12 = 540 people on it. Nationwide. For a month, and then we're done. That doesn't seem particularly difficult.

Of course, it would take three years to roll out the computer application that they would need in order to make and document the decision, but that's somewhat a separate problem...

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by herlitzj on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:33PM (#29997928)
Well, that's just the time necessary to action the accounts. You'd still need to hire all of those people, get them equipment and software, pay them, etc. IT, HR, management, payroll. Probably double or triple your man-hours. But on top of that, I specifically chose what are probably unrealistically low numbers. It would maybe be closer to 20-30% utilization and 8-20 hours to close a case (totally guessing here :shrug:). So maybe 730 - 2700 man-years, roughly. Plus above-mentioned overhead.

Spinning up a 500 person accounting firm wouldn't be snappy.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by georgeecollins on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:57PM (#29997324)
>> The government saying you can't evict someone is basically telling people they don't have to pay rent anymore

If this were true, then you would expect an explosion of evictions now that you can do it. I think that avoiding eviction is an important reason to pay rent but there are other, particularly not going into debt, not wrecking your credit score, and keeping your rental in the long term.

I don't disagree that this was dumb as a blanket policy but this was also an emergency no one expected and no one knew how serious it would be in terms of health and impact on the economy.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by tehwebguy on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @01:23PM (#29997765)
You aren’t wrong about many of the details but leave out the massive landlord relief programs and the fact that landlords are still free to sue for unpaid rent.

But yes, there is no doubt that the way this went down is making the moat (between labor and capital, middle class and upper, small business and massive conglomerate, etc) bigger and bigger.

Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by adolph on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @12:23PM (#29996660)
It is odd that there was an eviction moratorium but not a tax moratorium.
Re:Eviction notice downloads soar after federal moratorium ends by notch656a on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:09PM (#30002369)
.gov is licking its lips at the increased property taxes they'll get after massively inflating asset prices by printing wheelbarrows of new cash.