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Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by tombert on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @04:44PM (#29986376)
Interesting.

I've railed in the past about how much I hate advertising in any form, and the Snowden leaks made me hate the targeted ads even more. I'm somewhat of the opinion of "no one is immune to propaganda", at least not entirely. Ads serve effectively as propaganda for corporations, and sometimes literal propaganda towards politics.

If Google cannot make a profit without creating a massive surveillance state, then I don't think they should be in business.

Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by judge2020 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @04:49PM (#29986457)
> If Google cannot make a profit without creating a massive surveillance state, then I don't think they should be in business.

And yet many people don't want to pay for YT Premium. YouTube wouldn't exist if targeted ads didn't exist, and I imagine such a predicament isn't what most people envision. (and, if Google can't convert all viewers to paying customers, I don't see why another subscription-only social video platform would work either).

Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by fendy3002 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @04:55PM (#29986545)
Why nowadays people associated ads with targeted ads? Google can still show ads, just not surveillance-based info ads.

I'm fine with them showing ads or even contextual (based on youtube content, blog content, etc) ads or targeted geography (based on ip address, which is already public) ads which don't need surveillance at all.

Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by frabcus on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @05:00PM (#29986618)
Early on Google adverts were entirely targeted on search terms and made tons of money.

It’s a myth that targeting users is needed - it makes more profit, and creates a moat for the ad market, but that’s all.

DuckDuckGo shows this is the case.

Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by judge2020 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @07:30PM (#29988256)
Google search ads are still entirely contextual - but YouTube likely doesn't have the same volume of advertisers to match how much niche content is out there.
Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by tombert on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @04:57PM (#29986569)
> And yet many people don't want to pay for YT Premium. YouTube wouldn't exist if targeted ads didn't exist.

Is that actually true? Did pre-google YouTube have the level of targeted ads that we have right now? I would be incredibly surprised if the level of surveillance at that time was anywhere near what we have now. Granted, Youtube would almost certainly not be as profitable as it is right now, but I do think it would be possible.

That said, I don't think you're wrong; things would be pretty different, but I also think this might lead to more competition in the video sharing space. As it stands right now, no one can compete with the market dominance of YouTube, particularly because of their insanely good recommendation system.

Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by endisneigh on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @05:00PM (#29986616)
Pre Google YouTube was not a sustainable service nor was it nearly as big as it currently is.

There isn't really any way to have a video streaming service that mainstream without ads.

Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by tombert on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @05:05PM (#29986681)
I thought YouTube had ads before Google that just weren't hyper-targeted. Could be wrong on that.

Even if I don't like them, I can live with contextual ads (e.g. I'm watching a video about video games and I see an ad for a Switch).

Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by judge2020 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @05:12PM (#29986774)
Google bought it in October 2006 [0] after it had ad concepts in August 2006 [1].

0: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna15196982

1: https://sites.google.com/a/pressatgoogle.com/youtube5year/ho...

Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by throwaway946513 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @05:11PM (#29986756)
YouTube wholly can exist without targeted ads.

The internet and ads have existed long before YouTube, and all three can exist without tracking your life.

Re:Google: The harmful consequences of Congress’s anti-tech ... by MBCook on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @04:55PM (#29986540)
The bill as I understand it from reading an article or two still allows targeting based on content. So if you’re watching videos about car maintenance, they can put up ads for Pep Boys. They’re not banned from advertising totally.

What they can’t do is put up ads for vacuum cleaners because you were searching for them on another site or emailed somebody about them.