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Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority by hestefisk on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @07:45AM (#29978203)
In Australia, of those in hospital or ICU with covid, more than half are unvaccinated. 92% of the country are vaccinated, so the remainder accounts for half of hospitalisations. That’s a massive difference. Vaccines help, they are not perfect, but they help.
Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority by ssl232 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:01AM (#29978367)
You may be right, but you cannot actually conclude that, because the country is 92% vaccinated and half of ICU are unvaccinated, the vaccines work. You need to stratify at least by age, but also by comorbidities and so on. For example, it could be (not saying it is the case) that most of the ICU patients were considered too frail to be given the vaccine on medical grounds, and thus count as unvaccinated.

Too many politicians make "X is true therefore Y is true" statements that cannot actually be made based on the data being cited. One thing that's been clear from the beginning is the need for nuance and consideration of the details, not just blind jumps. There are health statisticians and mathematicians that do this sort of study for a living and I wish more politicians would cite their work.

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority by crispypotatoes on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:08AM (#29978447)
> You may be right, but you cannot actually conclude that, because the country is 92% vaccinated and half of ICU are unvaccinated

They're two separate data points, he hasn't done this

He's stated separately that 92% of the country is vaccinated AND (separately) half of ICU admissions are from the unvaccinated, what it means is that that remaining 8% are responsible for more than half of the COVID hospitalisations

Considering how much of a surveillance state AUS has, they likely do have the data to draw these conclusions

It really does show how effective they are in also reducing the severity of the condition, which is a very important point to make

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority by ssl232 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @12:13PM (#29982243)
> Considering how much of a surveillance state AUS has, they likely do have the data to draw these conclusions

> It really does show how effective they are in also reducing the severity of the condition, which is a very important point to make

This is exactly what I was referring to in my previous comment. These are hypotheses, and professionals are needed to establish causality. This _is_ a nuanced issue, it's not simple (despite what almost everyone seems to think), and we should start ignoring simplistic sound bites on this topic.

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Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority by ssl232 on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @04:50PM (#29986471)
You're still not understanding me, so I'm going to stop replying to you.