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Absolutely not true
Perhaps you should try, they definitely do exist and you would know this if you actually tried instead of telling me it's hard before you've looked
> and questioning anything about a vaccine/booster (including relating actual personal experience) is either not well received or just ignored. On social media, it's even attacked
Then don't tell anyone you're exempt or get the vaccine, honestly I think you know what you're saying is just an excuse
You're making a mountain out of a molehill here
Freedom fighters I think
Either way, you're risking long-term side effects, I'd rather go with the tried and tested technology we have here
Nope
> In my own country we have large swaths pre-omicron who have natural antibodies
It's funny this one, as that's not what this should tell you, the page uses antibodies to measure how many people have potentially been infected, it doesn't demonstrate effective herd immunity or that the population would be naturally immune or protected
We know that COVID is a disease where more exposure leads to more damage, so having antibodies doesn't mean anything
Here's an article for that site telling you about the benefits of a universal vaccine - https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-scientists...
It's also worth reading through their other studies about vaccines, as well as how they're looking to tackle the issues with vaccines themselves - https://search.nih.gov/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=nih&q...
> Now you seem to be expecting these folks to be vaccinated with a drug that has specifically excluded them from the trials. Drug recommendations ought to be coupled with safety testing on the impacted group.
I haven't suggested anything of the sort and I'm pretty sure this doesn't work how you think it does
> If you can find me Pfizer/Moderna trial studies which show specific impact on recovered individuals I will never post again.
You know for a fact this doesn't exist because people aren't trying to measure the healthy
What we do have are studies that show the delta goes down as vaccines are introduced, along with the infection rate
I really wish you would stop commenting because this a great demonstrating of not understanding the data at all.
EDIT: someone turned off replies lol
I have addressed them, there's just clearly an understanding gap here
Antibodies are also created by vaccines, if that's your measure here you shouldn't be arguing against them, that's why it's meaningless
Any interaction with disease creates them, so having them present doesn't guarantee that there's enough being produced (or even effectively) to counteract the effects
I don't hate them, I find them stupid and irresponsible
It's interesting that you're pulling the moral outrage card after you've asked about this and found my beliefs consistent
If there's a choice presented to you of "do X thing and don't harm others, or don't and risk harming others" and you pick the 2nd, you're the one in the wrong, plain and simple
A doctor, most countries already have an exemption system in place, use it mate
> That's why forced vaccination is wrong.
No, it isn't unless the country doesn't provide you sick pay
The tribes are essentially people refusing free vaccines for no reason vs people who are vaccinated to protect themselves/others
This is one of the easiest cut and dry examples I could think of to justify in-group/out-group behaviour, you shouldn't be forced to tolerate or associate with people making deliberately bad decisions
You could extend this argument to drunk drivers and I think it would hold just as little weight
Yes, if your religion caused you to harm people by just being near them because it is optional
Again, it's more false equivalency
Some religions require you to not even look at a woman that isn't covered, they need to go and live in an area where that's supported rather than expecting wider society to support that stupid standard
No to both, it's your choice not to get it and if it's that serious go to a hospital for an exemption
You already have a process in place for this stuff, if you aren't exempt there's no excuse
Those side effects really suck though, hope you're OK now
Except we know this isn't the case at all lmao
Elsewhere in the thread it's stated in AUS that 50% of COVID admissions are from the 8% unvaccinated population, that's about enough to prove the point here and I don't need to go any further
You're also seeing more and more cases like this crop up - https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/frighten...
Vaccines work. They reduce severity, transmission and the chance of death.
It's on you to prove your point with some actual facts now, instead of more questions missing the point entirely.
They can quite easily change this one by getting vaccinated, people can't with their skin colour
They're people, just very stupid people who have made their own bed and now need to lie in it
I'm not advocating executing them but I just don't give a fuck about them any more and there is a BIG difference
I forgot to finish that point - TL;DR false equivalency, reap the consequences etc.
I'm not going to sit here and guess
You have the information to work this one out yourself if you like and none of these comments make any sense mate
and this isn't what you're doing by calling people babies for being worried?
You're anxious about taking the vaccine and talk down to people, by your logic you have no dignity
If you have access and you deliberately turn it down over nothing AFTER the trial phase, that's who I'm raging at
It makes it harder for the disease to transmit from person to person
Less disease means less of the pandemic
They're two separate data points, he hasn't done this
He's stated separately that 92% of the country is vaccinated AND (separately) half of ICU admissions are from the unvaccinated, what it means is that that remaining 8% are responsible for more than half of the COVID hospitalisations
Considering how much of a surveillance state AUS has, they likely do have the data to draw these conclusions
It really does show how effective they are in also reducing the severity of the condition, which is a very important point to make
This is exactly what remaining unvaccinated is though
You're deliberately extending the pandemic and killing people so you can turn your nose up at authority, with no benefit to yourself, while actively denying the scientific consensus on this
Don't be surprised when the majority of people have a bad reaction to that, when their grandparents are dying as a result of your actions, of course politicians are going to try and speak to that sentiment, people are really angry over this one
I've been vaccinated 3 times now, it's nothing to worry about it and I barely noticed it throughout each one
I find it interesting you use the word 'other' here, as usually this is said when trying to frame a dehumanisation argument, where the 'other' is a suppressed minority of sorts
As someone that holds this opinion (sod the unvaccinated) and has done since the start of people doing this, I'm not surprised other people are now starting to go 'you made your bed' with this one
The thing is, being unvaccinated is a choice and if you want to make that choice then go for it
However, that choice has contributed to the deaths of people I know and extending the general disruption of the world for months on end for no other reason that unsubstantiated scepticism
You can make that choice but as the article says, do NOT expect the rest of the world to respect it when it's blindingly obvious it's a really dumb choice to make for absolutely no gain to you or anyone around you
When you see your mates grandmas dying and people are actively refusing the vaccine, I quite frankly do not care what happens to them, as they didn't care what happened to the people I know who have died
It's just risk management dude
Some things aren't worth fussing over, some are
Taking steps to reduce your mortality risk isn't being a baby, it's really dumb to die over bravado like this too
I'd rather pay a modest subscription fee than have the rug suddenly pulled from under me due to funding issues