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Re:You people are just vectors of disease to me on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:18AM (#29992692)
> In the UK more than half of all "hospitalized" Omicron cases caught it in hospital and of those, most are asymptomatic

Absolutely not true

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:16AM (#29992674)
Not if you only did the elderly, as you've suggested.
Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Wednesday January 19, 2022 @07:15AM (#29992662)
> getting an exemption from a doctor is not so straightforward (even if it technically exists)

Perhaps you should try, they definitely do exist and you would know this if you actually tried instead of telling me it's hard before you've looked

> and questioning anything about a vaccine/booster (including relating actual personal experience) is either not well received or just ignored. On social media, it's even attacked

Then don't tell anyone you're exempt or get the vaccine, honestly I think you know what you're saying is just an excuse

You're making a mountain out of a molehill here

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @01:12PM (#29983249)
> What’s your point? How do you want people to think about the unvaccinated?

Freedom fighters I think

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @12:42PM (#29982742)
The same thing is being said about long COVID

Either way, you're risking long-term side effects, I'd rather go with the tried and tested technology we have here

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @12:34PM (#29982611)
> I guess you are in Australia?

Nope

> In my own country we have large swaths pre-omicron who have natural antibodies

It's funny this one, as that's not what this should tell you, the page uses antibodies to measure how many people have potentially been infected, it doesn't demonstrate effective herd immunity or that the population would be naturally immune or protected

We know that COVID is a disease where more exposure leads to more damage, so having antibodies doesn't mean anything

Here's an article for that site telling you about the benefits of a universal vaccine - https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-scientists...

It's also worth reading through their other studies about vaccines, as well as how they're looking to tackle the issues with vaccines themselves - https://search.nih.gov/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=nih&q...

> Now you seem to be expecting these folks to be vaccinated with a drug that has specifically excluded them from the trials. Drug recommendations ought to be coupled with safety testing on the impacted group.

I haven't suggested anything of the sort and I'm pretty sure this doesn't work how you think it does

> If you can find me Pfizer/Moderna trial studies which show specific impact on recovered individuals I will never post again.

You know for a fact this doesn't exist because people aren't trying to measure the healthy

What we do have are studies that show the delta goes down as vaccines are introduced, along with the infection rate

I really wish you would stop commenting because this a great demonstrating of not understanding the data at all.

EDIT: someone turned off replies lol

I have addressed them, there's just clearly an understanding gap here

Antibodies are also created by vaccines, if that's your measure here you shouldn't be arguing against them, that's why it's meaningless

Any interaction with disease creates them, so having them present doesn't guarantee that there's enough being produced (or even effectively) to counteract the effects

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @12:28PM (#29982513)
> your hate for this one group of people is different from anything else

I don't hate them, I find them stupid and irresponsible

It's interesting that you're pulling the moral outrage card after you've asked about this and found my beliefs consistent

If there's a choice presented to you of "do X thing and don't harm others, or don't and risk harming others" and you pick the 2nd, you're the one in the wrong, plain and simple

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @12:27PM (#29982491)
> Who determines their legitimacy?

A doctor, most countries already have an exemption system in place, use it mate

> That's why forced vaccination is wrong.

No, it isn't unless the country doesn't provide you sick pay

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @09:54AM (#29980040)
I think the tribal thing is interesting but a meaningless distinction when it's such an easy choice like this

The tribes are essentially people refusing free vaccines for no reason vs people who are vaccinated to protect themselves/others

This is one of the easiest cut and dry examples I could think of to justify in-group/out-group behaviour, you shouldn't be forced to tolerate or associate with people making deliberately bad decisions

You could extend this argument to drunk drivers and I think it would hold just as little weight

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @09:50AM (#29979961)
> Would you make the same point about religious persecution?

Yes, if your religion caused you to harm people by just being near them because it is optional

Again, it's more false equivalency

Some religions require you to not even look at a woman that isn't covered, they need to go and live in an area where that's supported rather than expecting wider society to support that stupid standard

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @09:49AM (#29979937)
> Very scary. Are you going to guarantee that I'll be OK when I get my next shot? If I'm not, will you compensate me?

No to both, it's your choice not to get it and if it's that serious go to a hospital for an exemption

You already have a process in place for this stuff, if you aren't exempt there's no excuse

Those side effects really suck though, hope you're OK now

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @09:18AM (#29979455)
> It seems crucial, if 100% of unvaccinated have already recovered then what is to be gained by vaccinating now?

Except we know this isn't the case at all lmao

Elsewhere in the thread it's stated in AUS that 50% of COVID admissions are from the 8% unvaccinated population, that's about enough to prove the point here and I don't need to go any further

You're also seeing more and more cases like this crop up - https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/frighten...

Vaccines work. They reduce severity, transmission and the chance of death.

It's on you to prove your point with some actual facts now, instead of more questions missing the point entirely.

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:57AM (#29979122)
> The unvaccinated are routinely dehumanised and you even do so in your own comment

They can quite easily change this one by getting vaccinated, people can't with their skin colour

They're people, just very stupid people who have made their own bed and now need to lie in it

I'm not advocating executing them but I just don't give a fuck about them any more and there is a BIG difference

I forgot to finish that point - TL;DR false equivalency, reap the consequences etc.

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:56AM (#29979104)
> What percent of vaccine holdouts do you reckon have already been infected?

I'm not going to sit here and guess

You have the information to work this one out yourself if you like and none of these comments make any sense mate

Re:You people are just vectors of disease to me on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:12AM (#29978504)
> Fussing, openly squirming, talking down to people out of anxiety, etc. is lacking dignity.

and this isn't what you're doing by calling people babies for being worried?

You're anxious about taking the vaccine and talk down to people, by your logic you have no dignity

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:10AM (#29978474)
Availability has nothing to do with what I've said and I think you know I'm not speaking to that group

If you have access and you deliberately turn it down over nothing AFTER the trial phase, that's who I'm raging at

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:09AM (#29978459)
> What makes you think vaccinating everybody will hasten the end of the pandemic?

It makes it harder for the disease to transmit from person to person

Less disease means less of the pandemic

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:08AM (#29978447)
> You may be right, but you cannot actually conclude that, because the country is 92% vaccinated and half of ICU are unvaccinated

They're two separate data points, he hasn't done this

He's stated separately that 92% of the country is vaccinated AND (separately) half of ICU admissions are from the unvaccinated, what it means is that that remaining 8% are responsible for more than half of the COVID hospitalisations

Considering how much of a surveillance state AUS has, they likely do have the data to draw these conclusions

It really does show how effective they are in also reducing the severity of the condition, which is a very important point to make

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:03AM (#29978393)
> Don't force others to assume risk for your own benefit

This is exactly what remaining unvaccinated is though

You're deliberately extending the pandemic and killing people so you can turn your nose up at authority, with no benefit to yourself, while actively denying the scientific consensus on this

Don't be surprised when the majority of people have a bad reaction to that, when their grandparents are dying as a result of your actions, of course politicians are going to try and speak to that sentiment, people are really angry over this one

I've been vaccinated 3 times now, it's nothing to worry about it and I barely noticed it throughout each one

Re:The Silent, Vacinated, Impatient Majority on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @08:01AM (#29978360)
> They want it so much they are even willing to forego hostilities to the 'other' group of unvaccinated people

I find it interesting you use the word 'other' here, as usually this is said when trying to frame a dehumanisation argument, where the 'other' is a suppressed minority of sorts

As someone that holds this opinion (sod the unvaccinated) and has done since the start of people doing this, I'm not surprised other people are now starting to go 'you made your bed' with this one

The thing is, being unvaccinated is a choice and if you want to make that choice then go for it

However, that choice has contributed to the deaths of people I know and extending the general disruption of the world for months on end for no other reason that unsubstantiated scepticism

You can make that choice but as the article says, do NOT expect the rest of the world to respect it when it's blindingly obvious it's a really dumb choice to make for absolutely no gain to you or anyone around you

When you see your mates grandmas dying and people are actively refusing the vaccine, I quite frankly do not care what happens to them, as they didn't care what happened to the people I know who have died

Re:You people are just vectors of disease to me on Monday January 17, 2022 @07:46AM (#29965999)
We don't live in a world where it's just an Omicron risk though, there are more deadly variants spreading right now you're forgetting about
Re:You people are just vectors of disease to me on Monday January 17, 2022 @07:16AM (#29965783)
> don't fuss like a baby over any danger.

It's just risk management dude

Some things aren't worth fussing over, some are

Taking steps to reduce your mortality risk isn't being a baby, it's really dumb to die over bravado like this too

Re:Deta Cloud – Developer-friendly cloud platform on Friday January 14, 2022 @09:32AM (#29934840)
Absolutely, while I'm very grateful for free services I can sometimes wind up avoiding using them because I'm concerned about my privacy or the longevity of a setup

I'd rather pay a modest subscription fee than have the rug suddenly pulled from under me due to funding issues