Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work
by zozbot234 on Monday January 17, 2022 @02:42PM
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> But no work on UBI have ever provided a solution how they deal with "living".
UBI would be a major part of the solution, because it would enable people to move to lower cost-of-living areas where their UBI payment would go a lot further. Today this sort of mobility is heavily impeded by the need to be around meaningful job opportunities and all sorts of government services provided in-kind. With UBI, the job opportunities would spring up where people reside and not vice-versa.
Re:Basic income would not reduce people’s willingness to work
by aembleton on Monday January 17, 2022 @06:25PM
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The government could provide everyone with a small apartment, free food and free public transport. Then do away with UBI and other direct financial benefits. The government can better organise these things and not worry that some money will just go to drug dealers or other vices.
>> ‘It’s sometimes said that people will sit around doing nothing if you give them free money.’
this never make sense unless people have different definition of UBI. You will need to work to borderline enjoy life.
And it also shift the power to workers. No more shitty jobs like what you describe just to put food on table. The level of abuse people will tolerate before they quit will reduce. It will fundamentally shift ( or lift ) the power in bottom half of the society.
But no work on UBI have ever provided a solution how they deal with "living". If I have a small flat of 6m2 ( unless you want to live in a cage like Hong Kong, I think 6m2 per person is bad enough to be the absolute minimum ) , enough for a bed and bathroom, and zero rent. Getting yourself fed is easy enough.
Which shift the question from UBI to something else, our biggest problem isn't UBI, but property. How it is both an investment as an asset as well as a fundamental need by human. You could always pop up the property prices so UBI will never be enough. And every time we have a discussion about UBI, it is always about tax, equality, willingness to work and nothing on actual "living".