Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by josho on Monday January 17, 2022 @11:58AM
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It's taken us something like 30 years to start seeing wide IPv6 adoption. Even then most a running dual stacks to still support IPv4. How long do you think it would take to have a secure email protocol running by most users?
It could probably happen quickly if a few big players came together and made the push. Unfortunately the only innovation in email these days is occurring in ways that help user lock-in. E.g. IMAP is stagnant, Gmail added 'dynamic emails' that only work in their ecosystem.
Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by netizen-936824 on Monday January 17, 2022 @10:29AM
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I'm all for reimagining the email system, but considering how wide spread email is right now I think the replacement might need to be at least partially compatible to allow interoperation during transition
Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by Finnucane on Monday January 17, 2022 @10:38AM
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The tech industry’s ‘reenvisioning’ of a free/cheap older, but universal, standard is usually to replace it with something expensive, proprietary, and limited in scope.
Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by netizen-936824 on Monday January 17, 2022 @11:10AM
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My hope is that it would be an open and free standard instead of some of the usual bullshit vendor lock in
Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by teddyh on Monday January 17, 2022 @02:10PM
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When has that ever happened?
Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by netizen-936824 on Monday January 17, 2022 @03:12PM
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That's an extremely broad question. Are you asking specifically about email replacements, communication standards, or just proprietary software in general?
Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by teddyh on Monday January 17, 2022 @04:44PM
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When has ever a “tech industry’s ‘reenvisioning’ of a free/cheap older, but universal, standard” resulted in “an open and free standard” and not “the usual bullshit vendor lock in”?
Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by netizen-936824 on Monday January 17, 2022 @08:06PM
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Never that I can think of, which is why I stated my hope that it wouldn't be like that. But maybe that just means we can't necessarily depend on a profit motivated corporation to do the 'reenvisioning'
Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by teddyh on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @05:13AM
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Bingo. See also the rumored “definition of insanity”; i.e. doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result.
Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by hiptobecubic on Monday January 17, 2022 @05:35PM
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Basically anything? When was the last time something like email happened? And it wasn't a giant tech company that created that either.
Maybe something like Webrtc?
Re:Ask HN: Why is spam email still a thing?
by filchermcurr on Monday January 17, 2022 @10:38AM
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Can you elaborate on what you would like to see from a reimagined e-mail?
That means, as has been stated in this thread a bunch of times, that sending spam is essentially "free", especially since they like to use exploited email accounts to do the sending if possible.
I am all for a re-envisioning of email from the ground up, tbh.