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Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by jjav on Friday January 14, 2022 @06:15PM (#29941817)
I do find it surprising compensation is at the top.

I've never changed jobs over money. In fact several times I've taken new jobs that pay less on the promise of it being more fun.

Which is not to say I'll work for unreasonably low pay, I talk comp ranges with recruiters first to know if it is worth continuing the discussion.

But beyond a reasonable point, more pay doesn't make any difference (well, unless it's like 20x more, but nobody is offering that). A pleasant working environment, interesting projects, ownership, sane management, being respected, work/life balance and vacations; all of these are to me a lot more important than +/- 100K of pay.

Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by eggsmediumrare on Friday January 14, 2022 @08:00PM (#29942549)
"I've never changed jobs over money" and "+/- 100k"... lol, you're in a very, very different position than most of us if "+/- 100k" isn't a fundamentally life-changing kind of +/-.
Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by jjav on Saturday January 15, 2022 @04:51AM (#29945184)
To be fair, I am in Silicon Valley so that biases the numbers towards the higher end of the ranges. But I took a ~200K pay cut from my previous job to my current one because I went from a successful public company (not FAANG but similar pay) to a startup. Startups are a gamble for sure, maybe it's not worth anything. But the base salary is still good enough to pay all my bills, so that's good enough. I try to maximize happiness (I don't always succeed!), not income.
Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by oblio on Sunday January 16, 2022 @09:07AM (#29956071)
> But I took a ~200K pay cut from my previous job to my current one

I'm willing to bet that if ~90% of posters on HN would take a ~200k pay cut they'd have to pay their employer money.

You're most likely living in an entirely different world to regular folks.

Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by jjav on Monday January 17, 2022 @03:04AM (#29964408)
It's an interesting topic, I always wonder where reality is. An argument for more transparent comp info.

When HN has comp discussions, everyone points out that approximately everyone with any experience is making way more than 500K with levels.fyi offered as the evidence. I've sometimes expressed some doubt about those numbers but I'm always labeled as uninformed. Ok so I guess everyone truly is making more than 500K.

Startups don't pay very well, so if > 500K is the norm for FAANG-level, then certainly 100K or 200K or 300K++ pay cut is the norm as well for going into a startup?

Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by eggsmediumrare on Saturday January 22, 2022 @06:25PM (#30041880)
LOL 500k?! Dude (or dudedette)... That's more than specialist doctors make where I live (Ontario). That's mind boggling money. The average for a very experienced dev here is 120k-ish. CAD. You live in a bubble my friend.
Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by oblio on Monday January 17, 2022 @04:40AM (#29964881)
FAANGs are at best half a million to 1 million people and there are at least 35 million developers out there, in total.

Even FAANGs don't pay that well except for maybe 10-20 select locations.

My point is that most devs worldwide, even with experience, make less than $200k in total. More like less than $100k.

Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by manquer on Friday January 14, 2022 @07:13PM (#29942244)
If the compensation does not impact basic lifestyle, then yes people do like to choose better /interesting jobs provided their hygiene needs are getting met, that is becoming harder every year. Rents/ Mortgages / College Fees are all climbing higher than compensation increases at the entry level.

Even in tech there are a plenty of people paid less than 80 or 90k. On top of that these hefty student loans and high rent , steep mortgages that today's emerging work force is burdened with, it is not easy to ignore even small financial incentives when they are always trying to make ends meet and have to make basic quality of life sacrifices.

Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by humanrebar on Saturday January 15, 2022 @09:19AM (#29946519)
Compensation always affects lifestyle. If nothing else, it lets you spend your way to a negligible commute.
Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by manquer on Saturday January 15, 2022 @05:21PM (#29950987)
My point is not that compensation won't change lifestyle, it was that for basic needs lifestyle there is a compensation required ( i.e. living wage), people don't have luxury of choosing a more fulfilling job unless they are above that number.

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Basic needs is somewhat commonly used term [1], while what is basic in one location or country is not same everywhere and there are degrees of subjectivity to it. It is quite politicized and US Census threshold of $25,000 /year for family of four is ludicrously low as defined today. [2]

While there can be arguments on what the number should be and even what constitutes basic needs, the idea of basic needs itself shouldn't be controversial

IMHO that in locations where traditionally you get a tech job it is higher than even 80-90k factoring in mortgages and student loans, things that are not included in U.S. Census Bureau methodology.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_needs

[2] The reasons for such low bar is political, the methods used reflect that, one example is using a single number nationally is an insidious choice. Cost of Living in NY or the Bay Area,CA does not compare to say rural Montana . A sizable portion of the population lives in high density high cost of living parts of the country (jobs are there) and the number does not reflect that or is weighted by where the population actually live. There are plenty of other criticisms, on what is being included with what weight etc.