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Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by dekhn on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:27PM (#29940676)
The really ridiculous thing is that we're expected to "explain it like I'm 5" to smart computer hackers who don't know biology and constantly try to poke holes in mainstream science without taking the time to understand the complexity and subtlety in that field.
Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by Comevius on Friday January 14, 2022 @06:20PM (#29941863)
As a computer science guy I did my own ELI5, found out how insertion sequences work, found the paper about HIV-1 and 2019-nCov, but it is true, it takes time to understand.

Even without spending time my heuristics is that I find biases in the claim and find out how referenced it is. This one had plenty red flags, including dismissing the RaTG13 results claiming that they were just put into the database after people started questioning, the adversarial tone, presumptions and so on. Conspiracy theorists use recognizable heuristics, but their motivation is to seek attention, for which there is large competition. They want to be relevant, but who doesn't. Conspiracy theorists are not really into publishing a paper either, a blog post, video or tweet is all you get, it's not about the truth and it is easier to avoid being found out this way, though social media these days have fact checkers, so they have to fly under the radar or keep to the social circles that are not bothered by fact checkers.

Knowing about biases and how to recognize them is a vital skill, should be taught in schools. Everyone needs a working bullshit meter.

Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by hodwik3 on Friday January 14, 2022 @08:54PM (#29942839)
> dismissing the RaTG13 results claiming that they were just put into the database after people started questioning

To be fair, that sequence came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology

Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by jesse_a_b on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @09:46PM (#29989293)
I just checked, and this sequence is not even complete in the RaTG13 genome. Only 7 nucleotide match.

It is in the Moderna 2015 patent. 19 nucleotide match.

Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by feoren on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:42PM (#29940835)
I'm not really sure who you're talking about here. Who is expecting you to explain things to them simply? Informative comments are always appreciated, but I'm not sure why you're taking this as some personal obligation. Who is poking holes in mainstream science? I don't really see that happening in these comments.
Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by dekhn on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:51PM (#29940950)
I follow a lot of threads on the site, especially ones that appear to be COVID disinformation. And I see a lot of hackers asking "well, I read this <disinformation> and it made sense to me. Can you explain why it's not true?"

This is pretty common. The reason I take it as obligation is that if there aren't people fighting disinformationn, the disinformation will win, because it tends to be full of simple, seductive, but. wrong ideas that naive people fall for.

Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by Jimmc414 on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:28PM (#29941381)
Disinformation is defined as "false information intended to mislead". Do you think that is the intention of this author?
Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by dekhn on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:33PM (#29941433)
Well, it's possible the author believes what they wrote in which case it would be "false information believed to be true intended to teach" but I'm pretty sure this is active misinformation.

I'm not sure which particular thing public health people said that you're complaining about in the last part of the section- but I don't really think that public health leaders who communicate things which aren't 100% correct are dissemination disinformation. That's sort of a pedantic and uninteresting argument to have about the philosophical nature of information.

Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by Jimmc414 on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:55PM (#29941644)
Well, embedded within the term disinformation is an accusation, so thank you for clarifying.
Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by shataraxia on Thursday January 20, 2022 @12:21AM (#30005025)
it may be pedantic, but it's good to know that "disinformation" denotes intent & "misinformation" appears to be the word you're looking for
Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by UncleMeat on Saturday January 15, 2022 @11:30AM (#29947657)
This appears to be a disease among technical people. The number of people who work in something like software and have decided that they can effectively evaluate research in a completely different field is frightening.
Re:Ctcctcggcgggcacgtag is unique to both SARS-CoV-2 and Mode... by netizen-936824 on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:35PM (#29940760)
I feel the same way when articles pop up about some drug. Sometimes it feels like I'm beating my head against a wall.