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Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by deagle50 on Friday January 14, 2022 @02:30PM (#29939158)
If that got out, said manager may be marked by the bosses for opening Pandora's box. When people have dependents and mortgages on the line, "good" has very little to do with it. Sad but true.
Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by citizenpaul on Friday January 14, 2022 @02:38PM (#29939257)
A good manager would still make clear that their hands are tied and this is all they can offer at this time. They will have to check with upper mgmt for any further options depending on the response to their current offer.

There are a million legal/safe ways to say that the negotiation is not over just keep pushing.

It could also hint that the manager thought the commenter was one of those social cripples that cannot handle negotiations professionally but it doesn't sound to be the case.

Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by WJW on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:29PM (#29941385)
Out of the million safe ways to say the negotiation is not over, quite a lot are so obscure that most employees would not even pick up on the subleties. (And if we're honest, we all know coworkers who wouldn't get that hint even if the manager outright told them their hands were tied at this point in the negotiation)
Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by Godel_unicode on Friday January 14, 2022 @08:20PM (#29942667)
Without blaming the manager for the decisions of those above them, surely you have to see that this strengthens the argument that you shouldn't trust this person?
Re:Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs? by deagle50 on Friday January 14, 2022 @09:20PM (#29942968)
Maybe - I'm mainly making the point for future situations where it may make sense to stay if you don't adopt a binary trust mentality (which upper management probably does not have).