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Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by diontron on Friday January 14, 2022 @10:24AM (#29935552)
article goes on to state that gravitational pull effects surrounding objects without touching them, you know, like how we already know every fucking planet works?

quantum physics: the biggest waste of time since philosophy

Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by jakeinspace on Friday January 14, 2022 @10:54AM (#29935965)
You're about a hundred years late to be making this stand. I've never actually seen anyone claim that quantum physics in general is hooey. What do you even mean by that? That in fact, all of modern physics observations, as well as cosmology, materials science, etc, can actually be explained by classical physics? Or do you mean that you think there is some underlying classical/deterministic process which drives nature, and quantum mechanics is our attempt to predict outcomes based on an incomplete understanding? That is a defensible position, but it still wouldn't make sense to call quantum physics a waste of time.
Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by diontron on Friday January 14, 2022 @12:04PM (#29937002)
Quantum physics is worse than a waste of time. It actually impedes real progress.

http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~kcy05t/index.html

Enjoy.

Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by kingcharles on Friday January 14, 2022 @12:27PM (#29937300)
OK, Mr Troll. That site is like I had a seizure while playing with Adobe Dreamweaver.
Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by gpderetta on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:05PM (#29937823)
I was expecting Time Cube, but close enough I guess.
Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by JaimeThompson on Friday January 14, 2022 @10:27AM (#29935602)
What about the use of quantum physics in things like semiconductors?
Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by diontron on Friday January 14, 2022 @10:32AM (#29935684)
semiconductors don't "use" quantum physics, quantum physics just tries to explain how they work. semiconductors still exist without requiring quantum physicists to come in and try and steal credit for something they had no influence on whatsoever.
Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by pmontra on Friday January 14, 2022 @10:50AM (#29935918)
They used to but manufacturers are starting to have to deal with quantum effects lately https://semiengineering.com/quantum-effects-at-7-5nm/
Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by baja_blast on Friday January 14, 2022 @11:15AM (#29936296)
How is explaining/figuring out how quantum physics effects semiconductors "stealing credit"? Learning about how quantum tunneling effects impact super small transistors is extremely useful since chip designers can use this info to design chips that mitigate this effect as we scale down.

Also in the material sciences metamaterials have special properties precisely because of how the molecular structure manipulates quantum forces. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-09939-8

Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by danbruc on Friday January 14, 2022 @11:07AM (#29936174)
Nothing in the universe »uses« quantum physics. Or classical physics. Or any physics. Or any science. Or anything made by man. Or aliens. All a waste of time and resources.
Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by dekhn on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:56PM (#29938569)
This is sort of a profoundly different way of looking at it. The creation of the first semiconductors was closely tied to the development of quantum theory around electrons in metal. Bell labs hired up Shockley, Bardeen and a bunch of other solid state physicists (when it started to become obvious that the US needed to build computing devices that were faster and more rugged than vacuum tubes) and it was their knowledge of quantum physics that enabled them to solve key problems in the development of the transistor.

QM is still the best theory for semiconductors and a lot of semiconductor improvement happens by applying quantum physics.

The important part to recognize is that this is a part of QM that doesn't involve entanglement or wave function collapse, but definitely relies heavily on quantum tunnelling. All of this is well documented by the primary literature in the field.

Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by mikewarot on Friday January 14, 2022 @02:52PM (#29939442)
It may be that is how it started, but I'll never forget the day my Advanced Chemistry teacher at Rose-Hulman used standard chemistry (I think it was the Nerst equation, 40 years ago!) to explain how a diode works.

Then he continued and explained how a junction transistor worked with the same equations!

No QM required.

Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by dekhn on Friday January 14, 2022 @03:52PM (#29940269)
The nernst equation is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nernst_equation (redox). THere's also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nernst%E2%80%93Planck_equation which also isn't exactly for diode modelling.

I'm sure you can find classical equations that model some aspects of p-n junctions but you're ultimately going to see that p-n junction physics is literally quantum physics of tunneling electrons in atomic solids.

Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by mikewarot on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:24PM (#29940643)
It's not tunneling, it's conduction. There are liquid electrolytic rectifiers, they suck, but they exist.
Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by dekhn on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:16PM (#29941244)
Oh, I see what you're saying now. Your teacher showed you the equations explaining a classical (pre-semiconductor) diode, then showed those equations predict some aspects of semiconductor diodes.

Yeah, that doesn't mean that diodes don't work in a fundamentally quantum way. There are a number of details about diodes (for example, the emitted frequency of light in an LED) that are very specifically due to quantum energy transitions of electrons in outer shells. It doesn't get any more quantum physics than that.

Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by mikewarot on Friday January 14, 2022 @06:17PM (#29941841)
This was the equations for a doped semiconducting device, not a vacuum tube. All the equations we had previously been using to describe buffered solutions, etc. also happened to work perfectly well for semiconductors.

LEDs weren't discussed that day.

Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by klyrs on Friday January 14, 2022 @11:06AM (#29936147)
Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by ben_w on Friday January 14, 2022 @11:25AM (#29936467)
Indeed, or superfluids, Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein condensates, quantum computers, lasers, quantum dot displays, quantum key distribution, MRI scanners, that trick with 3 polarising filters letting though more light than just 2, antimatter, and electron microscopes.

Oh, and Casimir cavities.

Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by evanb on Friday January 14, 2022 @11:04AM (#29936132)
Not for nothing but Shockley, Bardeen, and Brattain were physicists awarded a Nobel "for their researches on semiconductors and their discovery of the transistor effect". Bardeen also won a separate Nobel for a theory of superconductivity. Claiming they're not quantum physicists or had no influence on semiconductors is misinformed.
Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by kgwgk on Friday January 14, 2022 @11:24AM (#29936432)
> quantum physics: the biggest waste of time since philosophy

Sure. After all, natural sciences from physics to biology used to be called natural philosophy until not so long ago.

Re:Quantum particles feel the influence of gravitational fie... by Chris2048 on Friday January 14, 2022 @10:47AM (#29935863)
It says:

> subatomic particles can feel the influence of this warping even if they aren’t subject to gravitational forces

So I guess they are talking about particles without mass.