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Re:Train burglaries in LA by truckerbill on Friday January 14, 2022 @03:43AM (#29932041)
Crime rates go up when inequality goes up.
Re:Train burglaries in LA by iamben on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:50AM (#29932499)
Was discussing this with some friends recently. The general agreement was social media has exacerbated inequality. It was always there to a varying degree - but there's a big difference between seeing a movie star or musician flexing expensive clothes and shoes on MTV or in a magazine to seeing Johnny Average who went to your school flexing them on Instagram. One is attainable and "why don't I have this", the other you don't worry about.

Furthermore we seem to have such an easy money culture right now - if you get caught in a crypto or NFT or memestock or whatever bubble on FB or Twitter, 'everyone' is rich with no effort (and they can teach you how for 99$ a month!) - why shouldn't you be rich without working?!

Re:Train burglaries in LA by ramoz on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:54AM (#29932531)
Do crime rates go up when you stop policing actual crimes?
Re:Train burglaries in LA by callmeal on Friday January 14, 2022 @06:38AM (#29933232)
> Do crime rates go up when you stop policing actual crimes?

No they don't. See all the studies that disprove the "broken windows theory" that tried to prove that crime rates go down when you enforce policing.

https://carder.uk/threads/does-broken-windows-theory-work.11...

    The first book to disprove the broken window theory was Bernard Harcourt 's Illusion of Order, published in 2001. The author points out that over the 30 years of the existence of this theory, it has never been empirically confirmed, on the contrary, the available research contradicts it. The theory also relies on arbitrarily defined categories of "order" and "disorder", "law-abiding citizens" and "violators."
    
    The first book to disprove the broken window theory was Bernard Harcourt 's Illusion of Order, published in 2001. The author points out that over the 30 years of the existence of this theory, it has never been empirically confirmed, on the contrary, the available research contradicts it. The theory also relies on arbitrarily defined categories of "order" and "disorder", "law-abiding citizens" and "violators."

    First of all, the drop in crime in New York occurred simultaneously with the corresponding process in the entire United States. In another study, Harcourt notes that the drop in crime rates in New York coincided with the end of the crack drug epidemic. Christina Sterbenz adds that this trend has been fueled by declining unemployment (during the 1990s, its rate fell by 40%).

    Criminologist Ralph Taylor is sure that socio-economic is a significant factor that affects the crime rate. Returning to the experiment with two cars - in the Bronx initially there was a low level of welfare, and in wealthy Palo Alto, a researcher must intervene in the experiment to provoke vandalism.

    The theory of broken windows has also failed to pass the test of a massive social experiment. In 1994, the US government introduced the Moving to Opportunity program, which relocated 4,800 impoverished families to prime locations. The program was implemented in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston and Baltimore. Three quarters of the resettled households were on the brink of poverty, and two thirds of the participants were African American.

    According to the theory, in the new environment the level of their involvement in offenses should have, but this did not happen, since the move did not improve their financial situation, but emphasized the social gap with their neighbors.
Re:Train burglaries in LA by nomel on Friday January 14, 2022 @10:04AM (#29935294)
I think the opposite of this (reducing enforcement should not increase crime) has been proven false by Californias Prop 47 [1]. So, I imagine the starting point, where enforcement is then increased, is very important.

1. https://www.ppic.org/publication/the-impact-of-proposition-4...

Re:Train burglaries in LA by KSteffensen on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:27AM (#29932341)
Is crime rate proportional to inequality or poverty?
Re:Train burglaries in LA by hnaccount_rng on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:52AM (#29932518)
Since poverty is (at least typically) defined relative to some average those two things are not as disconnected as you may think.

But in general I'd expect crime to be a "least worst option" choice and I seem to remember research to that effect. Although I wouldn't be able to find that now again, so take it with an appropriate amount of salt.

Re:Train burglaries in LA by user-the-name on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:48AM (#29932489)
Inequality implies poverty, so this question is pointless.
Re:Train burglaries in LA by nitrogen on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:59AM (#29932570)
No, they are orthogonal. A society split between middle class workers and billionaires still has inequality without poverty. A society of 100% poverty has no inequality.
Re:Train burglaries in LA by jan_Inkepa on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:16AM (#29932675)
Some people define poverty as being in the lower X percentile of wealth.

> https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn07...

"Two commonly used measures are: people in relative low income – living in households with income below 60% of the median in that year; people in absolute low income – living in households with income below 60% of (inflation-adjusted) median income in some base year, usually 2010/11."

This is however a bureaucratic definition of poverty that I don't accept as capturing the everyday meaning, but I thought it might be of interest to mention. I remember being under the poverty line and thinking "this doesn't count. I don't accept that I'm living in poverty." Knowing these technical uses made me regard official-sounding news and reports about 'poverty' quite differently.

(The bottom of the article talks about a group giving a more lay-compatible definition "The Social Metrics Commission (SMC) proposed a new based on the extent to which someone’s resources meet their needs. This accounts for differences among households such as costs of childcare and disability, savings and access to assets." which seems more meaningful if you're interested about absolute standards of living).

Re:Train burglaries in LA by cloverich on Friday January 14, 2022 @11:01AM (#29936074)
That's good to know. I had similar feelings about wealth. At one point my wife and I were in the bottom 10% or lower, because of our student debt. Yeah when we graduated medical and dental school we had pretty negative net worth. But... does it really make sense to claim we had no wealth? Or that someone who made 20k a year with no debt should trade places with us? I think wealth and inequality studies are important, and if they don't address this issue they are misleading, even meaningless statistics.
Re:Train burglaries in LA by user-the-name on Friday January 14, 2022 @03:52PM (#29940265)
But that does not actually happen. In practice, inequality means poverty.
Re:Train burglaries in LA by orwin on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:26AM (#29932731)
Unless poverty is relative.
Re:Train burglaries in LA by bildung on Friday January 14, 2022 @05:10AM (#29932639)
No, it's actually only the inequality, not poverty, that correlates with high crime rates.