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Re:Exploring System76's New Rust Based Desktop Environment by smoldesu on Thursday January 13, 2022 @06:26PM (#29928464)
> Gnome doesn't want thousands of developers implementing their own visions for their projects and others don't want to donate their time to implementing gnomes vision.

This is definitely looking more-and-more like the case. The GNOME team's insistence on cutting people out of their workflow has left them with less contributors... which leaves them with a worse desktop and a roadmap that's being pushed further-and-further back. Every GNOME contributor you meet will try to deny it, but it really has come to a boiling point over the last few months. There have been so many feature cuts, unaddressed issues, internal hostility and asinine workarounds (text is broken on native apps, so ship with Flatpak until we get it fixed! wait, Flatpak has more issues?) that I really struggle to have any respect for their leadership now. They're throwing out pieces of the plane to get it off the runway, and the complete lack of communication combined with their internal holier-than-thou social ethics has turned a transparent, thriving community of users into a miasma of apologists, skeptics and people who have never tried anything else.

Re:Exploring System76's New Rust Based Desktop Environment by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday January 14, 2022 @08:13AM (#29934028)
I've been playing with Silverblue lately[0], which is my first real exposure to GNOME 4X, and I would argue that it isn't even a desktop. It's a mobile interface. It wants badly to be installed on a phone and use a touchscreen.

[0] After initially attempting Kinoite, which has some rather unfortunate problems that don't seem to be being addressed.

Re:Exploring System76's New Rust Based Desktop Environment by awrmc on Thursday January 13, 2022 @10:17PM (#29930215)
It's not easy for me to take this comment seriously because gnome doesn't actually have anything anyone could define as leadership. It's a decentralized open source thing. You might be incorrectly assuming bad faith.
Re:Exploring System76's New Rust Based Desktop Environment by smoldesu on Thursday January 13, 2022 @11:00PM (#29930454)
GNOME has a foundation[0] that is responsible handling their funding as well as setting goals/standards for their desktop. As a matter of fact, they're the most well-funded desktop environment in the entire Linux desktop landscape. I think criticism is fair, especially when it pertains to removing features and working against the community using funding that is, in large part, raised by said community.

[0] https://foundation.gnome.org/

Re:Exploring System76's New Rust Based Desktop Environment by awrmc on Thursday January 13, 2022 @11:19PM (#29930555)
That isn't how gnome works, being decentralized and all. The foundation pays for very little of the development and has little to no influence over what developers actually do. If you wanted the community to have more influence over development, the way to do that would actually be to get more money for the foundation so they can afford to hire more developers from the community. Right now, they don't employ any. The funding they have now is actually shockingly small for a nonprofit based in the USA, and almost unnoticeable compared to what a tech company based in the USA would have.

Removal of features would still happen though because that's a natural part of any software project responding to the ever-shifting priorities of a large group of users.

Re:Exploring System76's New Rust Based Desktop Environment by michaelmrose on Thursday January 13, 2022 @10:49PM (#29930399)
Every semi persistent grouping of individuals has leadership even if informal and redhat and the gnome foundation have defined leadership structures.
Re:Exploring System76's New Rust Based Desktop Environment by awrmc on Thursday January 13, 2022 @11:31PM (#29930611)
But that's the whole thing. Redhat and the foundation don't have any leadership over a decentralized group of open source developers. Gnome is not like the Linux kernel where there's one giant repository with one lead maintainer serving as a bottleneck. There are individuals who hold more influence but that's more because a lot of other volunteers chose to follow them, not because they seized power from anybody.