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Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by matheusmoreira on Thursday January 13, 2022 @05:56PM (#29928193)
Then stop making music for free. Find a way to get paid before you put the work in. Because after it's been made and published, it's already over.

Computers exist and are networked. Data is trivially and infinitely copyable. The clock will not be rewound back to the dark ages where data was a finite product that people could buy and sell. No matter how much the music industry rages and sues, it won't change the fact that YouTube is just sending me data via HTTP and there's absolutely nothing they can do if I decide to redirect that data to my hard disk instead. It's up to them to adapt to their new reality. If they can't, that's their problem.

Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by atoav on Friday January 14, 2022 @04:57AM (#29932554)
That's like finding users for your software before telling them why they would actually like to have it — nobody cares for your music before you release it unless your former albums have been real bangers.

No record label in existence would give you any money before you prooved to them somehow that you are able to do the music you want them to finance you for.

As a member of a band myself I don't care when people download our music, rather the opposite, I like it when people dig the music. And if they dig it enough, they will also buy a shirt, the vinyl, or something among those lines.

Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by nomel on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:42PM (#29938348)
> As a member of a band myself I don't care when people download our music

I think the difference between me and some others in this thread is, I think you have the right to make that choice. I think you also have the same right to say, "I put effort into this, and I want to limit its distribution to only those that compensated me for it".

Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by nomel on Thursday January 13, 2022 @11:50PM (#29930688)
> Find a way to get paid before you put the work in.

Do you have an industry/example in mind where this is the case? All of the "profit from something created" schemes that I can think of require that the something exists before it can be sold. I can't think of anything that's sold based purely on promises, without extreme risk being involved. And when this is the case, it seems there's some partial initial payment (and initial debt put on the creator of that something) to mitigate some of that risk, with complete payment after the thing is finished.

Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by 3np on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:12AM (#29931147)
Could also be read as “<Find a way to get paid> before you put the work in.” as opposed to “Find a way to <get paid before you put the work in.>”

An employment would be one way.

Demanding things on behalf of “starving artists” otherwise sounds exactly like the “starving FLOSS maintainer” who burns out because nobody will find their work. Unfortunate but it’s on them to find a sustainable business model if they want it as an income stream. A ban on general computing will not save either the artist nor the programmer.

Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by nomel on Tuesday January 18, 2022 @02:04PM (#29984081)
> An employment would be one way.

How so? All employment arrangements I've been involved in paid based on time that was previously worked (like, paid monthly for previous month), with the pay being for the clear, partial, progress that is shown during that time that I worked. I've never been paid, in anywhere near full, for time I will work in the future, or progress I will make. I've never seen as employer that pays, in full, for to-be-completed work. This seems extremely risky. Do you have an example?

Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by matheusmoreira on Friday January 14, 2022 @07:17AM (#29933556)
> Do you have an industry/example in mind where this is the case?

Crowdfunding sites like Kickstarter where people treat creations as an investment. Patronage platforms like Patreon where people can support creators they like on a regular basis.

Maybe that's the answer. Maybe not. I don't really know. I just know copyright is insane.

> All of the "profit from something created" schemes that I can think of require that the something exists before it can be sold.

That works for physical goods which are naturally scarce. Data is infinitely abundant. Supply is infinite. Price might as well be zero.

The value is the labor that creates the data, not the data itself. The artists, the programmers, these people are valuable. There needs to be some way they can get paid for the act of creating rather than sales of the artificially scarce product of their labor. Because that artificial scarcity was dead the second computers were invented.

Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by Spivak on Thursday January 13, 2022 @06:20PM (#29928420)
I mean eventually it’s gonna be YouTube only sends a DRM video stream and then the problem is done. Okay sure pirates will still exist but casual piracy got harder which is the point. DRM doesn’t try to put the genie back in the bottle, it only makes the path of least resistance going through legal channels.
Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by copperx on Thursday January 13, 2022 @06:37PM (#29928574)
I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened yet. There must be some technical reason for that.

Is Widevine problematic?

Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by spartanatreyu on Thursday January 13, 2022 @06:47PM (#29928661)
It would affect the people it's intended to be used on the least, and affect the people it's not intended to be used on the most.
Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by 5e92cb50239222b on Friday January 14, 2022 @01:10AM (#29931136)
You're pretty much describing DRM in a nutshell. This limitation never stopped it in the past.
Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by bubblethink on Thursday January 13, 2022 @09:27PM (#29929915)
This is a good point. Yes, in theory chrome and android are big enough now that youtube could add widevine and there won't be a significant impact to their bottom line. Maybe there are still old devices that are running obsolete/frozen versions of youtube devices. Or more optimistically, there are still trace amounts of 'don't be evil' left at google.
Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by Aerroon on Thursday January 13, 2022 @11:23PM (#29930569)
Wouldn't they get sued for anticompetitive practices though? If other browsers/devices can't view the content then it seems like they would have a point.
Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by dubiousconst281 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @07:40PM (#29929095)
Widevine is a joke, L3 at least. You can easily dump all video and audio frames by hooking into Chromium's CDM wrapper.
Re:Music industry is suing youtube-dl hosters by easrng on Thursday January 13, 2022 @10:47PM (#29930388)
And nobody cares about L2, and manufacturers have awful security and accidentally leak L1 keys all the time.