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Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by tempest_ on Thursday January 13, 2022 @01:39PM (#29924737)
With regards to 1

A lot of the trades are hard on your body. By the time you are 45-50 your knees could be wrecked and that makes it hard to do service work like electric/HVAC.

There are an argument that desk work isnt healthy either but that is a different discussion.

Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by 01100011 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @03:06PM (#29926074)
As a 46 year old I agree, but I'll say that most tradesmen I knew have either moved on to owning/managing or have switched careers. Overall they've done very well.

Also, IME, tradesmen always have the nicest houses regardless of income because they or someone they can trade with will do top quality work for barely any compensation.

Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by vkou on Thursday January 13, 2022 @04:08PM (#29926891)
> As a 46 year old I agree, but I'll say that most tradesmen I knew have either moved on to owning/managing or have switched careers. Overall they've done very well.

Suvivorship bias?

I imagine that those that are still in the trades are managers/owners. Those that have blown out knees, but don't have the skills to manage/own/washed out a decade ago... Are not.

There's not enough room in the trades for every person who did work in their 20s to manage/own in the 40s, unless you have a lot of attrition.

Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by withinboredom on Thursday January 13, 2022 @06:03PM (#29928264)
Isn’t that covered by “switched careers?” Anyway, just to add to the anecdata here, my wife was a hair stylist in a nice part of town. Women/men would trade a weekend at their beach house (concert tickets, private jet access, etc) for hair cuts and color. She’s now “just a kickass mom.”

Point is, for a time, we had access to some 0.1er% shit that’d I’d never get to utilize in my “office job” while my wife would trade for some truly spectacular experiences with the spouses of CEOs and CTOs. Heck, she’s half the reason I got the network I have these days. There’s something to be said about someone saying nice things about you to a captive audience :)

Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by chongli on Friday January 14, 2022 @06:35AM (#29933209)
Suvivorship bias?

Definitely. There are a lot of young guys in the trades who no one should hire under any circumstances. They do drugs, drink, and even start fights on the job site. They get fired frequently and just move to the next job. There are so many of them that it makes for a toxic workplace for anyone getting into the trades.

Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by WoahNoun on Thursday January 13, 2022 @09:48PM (#29930048)
And what about all the 40-50 year olds who are on SSA disability because of 20-30 years of manual labor?
Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by subsubzero on Thursday January 13, 2022 @02:12PM (#29925261)
alot of engineers(and other tech employees) are forced out of the field due to ageism by 45-50 so its a wash.
Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by MisterBastahrd on Thursday January 13, 2022 @03:04PM (#29926057)
Not unless they're dogmatic about the language they're developing in, they aren't. I ran into people ALL THE EFFING TIME as a recruiter who refused to train in another language or environment because they were going to make less money if they moved on, even as the market for their current skillset dwindled to nothing.

That's a completely different issue from having injured your back or shoulder or knee so often that you need surgical corrections just so you can remain functional at a resting state.

Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by darepublic on Thursday January 13, 2022 @10:47PM (#29930387)
My neural network was ground down to a nub for a variety of reasons. I could not leave the cozy confines of this react and typescript stack until winter had ended
Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by bumby on Thursday January 13, 2022 @03:37PM (#29926487)
Do you mean software engineers specifically? It seems like other engineering domains are kinder to oldies
Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by pyuser583 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @11:28PM (#29930598)
I’m an aging engineer. Have not witnessed this.
Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by mschuster91 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @01:42PM (#29924794)
If you're unable to work "in the field" as a trades(wo)man, you can always switch over to supervisory or inspection works or go the fully office job route (=planning, architectural offices).
Re:More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest nu... by tempest_ on Thursday January 13, 2022 @01:46PM (#29924852)
You definitely can (and you should if you have the ability!) but there are by their nature fewer supervisory roles available and the skill sets, at least my experience, don't overlap that much.