I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by fnord123 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @04:24AM (#29918603)

> specially compared to the US where quite some companies will match our European amenities (talking about software engineering jobs).

Debatable. In most European countries, if you lose your job you still have health cover. If you lose your job in the US you do not keep the company benefit health insurance (except as part of a severance package for a limited time). For H1-B visa holders, they must leave the country (this is relevant for anyone based in Europe who is trying to determine whether to stay in Europe or use a visa programme to relocate to the US).

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by bluGill on Thursday January 13, 2022 @07:31AM (#29920056)

But it isn't hard to find a job, and there are other options for health care while you are looking.

I agree that it is stupid to tie health insurance to your job, but it isn't the big deal you make it out to be, so long as you have savings

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by fnord123 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @09:09AM (#29920875)

I'm not an expert in american insurance policies (not even a novice, tbh) but if you have an ongoing condition and then lose insurance, and then get new insurance with your easy-to-get new job then would the ongoing condition be considered a pre-existing condition and hence fall into question regarding cover?

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by ryan93 on Thursday January 13, 2022 @09:45AM (#29921251)

Not since 2009

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by alistairSH on Thursday January 13, 2022 @08:06AM (#29920332)

so long as you have savings

That phrase is key. Most Americans don’t have savings. Even among the professional class, savings are often nowhere near high enough to pay OOP for insurance at market rate.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by stevenally on Thursday January 13, 2022 @09:27PM (#29929914)

As a 55 yr old with 3 dependents, the insurance is $25,000 per year.

That’s quite a hill to climb before I see a penny of income into my pocket.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by wreath on Thursday January 13, 2022 @07:28AM (#29920031)

Depends where in Europe. In Germany, if you lose your job you still have to pay for health insurance, at least the first three months until your unemployment kicks in (assuming you're eligible for it, like in most cases) and I don't know if unemployment covers your health insurance.

If you are married and you and your spouse were on the same statutory health insurance, then you're covered by your spouse. Which can be the case in the US depending on your spouse's coverage.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by nicbou on Thursday January 13, 2022 @08:46AM (#29920665)

This is true, but not quite the full truth. You will fall on the minimum tariff, and both unemployment and social security cover your health insurance. IIRC, they will cover it retroactively for those 3 months, even if you quit. However that last line is from a conversation in a bar.

And yes, if you earn below 450€ a month, you're generally covered by your spouse or family's health insurance with many little rules and exceptions. None of those exceptions are deal breakers though.

This page (https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/german-health-insurance) explains more, and has a very accurate calculator that takes those edge cases into account.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by jyounker on Thursday January 13, 2022 @08:04AM (#29920315)

Once you are unemployed you do have to pay for your health insurance, but it's heavily subsidized, costing (as a 50 year old) around 200 a month. Compare that to 1200 per month in the USA.

It's a huge difference.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by wreath on Thursday January 13, 2022 @08:59AM (#29920789)

It's a huge difference when you compare absolute numbers for sure. But also there is a huge difference in taxes. You could argue 1200 is not so bad when you pay 25% taxes instead of 40% for example.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by remram on Friday January 14, 2022 @10:57AM (#29936015)

You don't pay income taxes when unemployed.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by wreath on Saturday January 15, 2022 @02:03AM (#29944326)

That's not what I meant. When you are employed in tech and pay say 25% taxes, saving 1200 for a bad day (when you are unemployed and have to pay insurance yourself) is not so bad compared to when you pay 40 taxes.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by remram on Saturday January 15, 2022 @12:18PM (#29948187)

You've gone full circle then. Someone was pointing out that salaries are lower in Europe, someone else replied that on the other hand costs are lower (for example health insurance). To which you reply that it's fine because salary are lower.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by _rtld_global_ro on Thursday January 13, 2022 @09:10AM (#29920881)

Get ACA, should be a lot lower than $1200/month if AGI isn't really high (assuming unemployed), now if you want CORBA that could be a different story.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by jandrewrogers on Thursday January 13, 2022 @11:17AM (#29922425)

Where did you get $1200/month in the US? At least where I live, it is $400/month.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by Tainnor on Thursday January 13, 2022 @08:13AM (#29920387)

it's impossible (i.e. illegal) in Germany to be uninsured. you may have to pay yourself depending on the situation (I had to do it once between jobs), but the amount you have to pay is not crazy, and there are no people who have no health insurance because they can't afford it. For example, if you are eligible for ALG II (aka Hartz IV, i.e. long-term unemployment benefits), your health insurance is automatically paid for.

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by wreath on Thursday January 13, 2022 @10:37AM (#29921857)

If you're not eligible for ALG II (so I guess your first year of unemployment), do you have to pay for insurance from your unemployment benefits?

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Re:I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now by literallycancer on Thursday January 13, 2022 @09:42AM (#29921219)

What's stopping you from choosing and paying for your own health insurance in the US?

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