Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by Nextgrid on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @07:20AM
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To be fair, a lot of contracts have a clause to confirm that you don't have any unspent convictions. Granted, you can lie and indeed it probably will never be discovered but that's fraud.
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Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by mostlystatic on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @07:42AM
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I just checked 5 contracts I had from around 2015, and only one mentioned convictions. Specifically:
> The Supplier warrants:
> that the Consultant has no criminal convictions which would reasonably affect the Company's and/or the Client's decision to allow the Consultant access to the Location(s), the Client's Systems or to provide the Services;
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by rich_sasha on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @07:23AM
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> fraud.
Depends on locale. In the UK (IANAL) it wouldn't be _fraud_, but would be grounds to terminating the contract. But not criminal.
Employer could potentially sue for damages, but there must be some damages for that.
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by wheels on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @08:05AM
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And in Germany, it would be illegal to ask unless it was specifically relevant to the job – and courts have specifically decided that you can lie if you're asked and it's not relevant. The US tends to really overreach on that sort of thing, but it's not universal. It may even be that picking contracts in the EU would be useful.
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by Scarblac on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @08:41AM
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> It may even be that picking contracts in the EU would be useful.
After Brexit he'd need a work permit for that, and I assume convictions are a factor with those.
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by jen20 on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @09:23AM
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One only needs a work permit if physically in the EU country, not working remotely from the UK.
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by Nextgrid on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @07:28AM
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Thanks - this is a very good point and looks hopeful for the OP. To the OP I suggest to confirm this with a lawyer; if it's indeed not criminal and the worst outcome of a lie is termination and a civil lawsuit (which requires proving damages) it might be worth betting on it.
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by throwaway301010 on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @11:07AM
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The advantage of being an ex-lawyer is I do know this to be a criminal offence!
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by mytailorisrich on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @08:35AM
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Fraud by false representation is a thing in the UK so I suspect that it might depend on the circumstances and the seriousness of the case but IANAL.
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by chrisseaton on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @08:19AM
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People describe anything and everything they don't agree with as 'fraud'.
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by throwaway301010 on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @10:53AM
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Having had a conviction I don't want to pick up one for lying on my CV. In jail I knew someone convicted for just that, though I think it is rare.
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by cschep on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @01:47PM
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Lying on resumes is so common, how on earth did someone go to jail for it?
Re:Ask HN: Career change for elderly UK ex-convict?
by throwaway301010 on Wednesday January 12, 2022 @02:36PM
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yea, definitely struck me as odd too, most people bullshit a bit on CVs so whether there was more to it I don't know: TBH you don't usually ask people for details of why they're inside - it can get ... problematic.